Archaeology of the New Testament
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Into the Night
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ZenMode
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There's no argument of anything fallacy. You decided to resign when you decided to not respond with anything relevant.
No, I'm saying the Torah does not contain literal reports of historical eventS written by witnesses or people who spoke to the witnesses.
One does not have to believe the Jewish story of Noah's Ark is an account of a literal historical event to be a Christian.
The Old Testament contains a mixture of allegory, metaphor, hyperbole, poetry, with some historical data sprinkled in, particularly in the Deuteronomistic Histories
On the one hand you want to claim the Bible is fairytale, on the other hand you want to present it as literal history when it suits your agenda. That's not the sign of someone who is seeking the truth
No, you are obviously morally outraged about an ancient Hebrew story a story about an evil world being judged and annihilated by a flood.
But you don't have an objective moral standard to base your moral outrage on, and you can't say anything is really good or evil, nor that humans actually have any real innate value
ZenMode
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Neither does the New Testament
So, the Bible lies?
The Bible is based on a fairytale creature - The God of Abraham, which is one of many gods that man conjured up to explain the confusing world around him... and that the Christian God is an asshole/psychopath.
I'm not outraged. I'm pointing out that the Christian god can't be all the things it's described to be and act the way it did in the Bible.
I have objective moral standards. I don't need fairytales to know right from wrong.
Into the Night
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Into the Night
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You don't think Adam witnessed the creation of the Earth, or its Fall, or the establishment of the his family, or the heartbreak caused by Cain?
You don't think Moses and Aaron witnessed the slavery of the Jews by the Egyptians, how that slavery was broken by the hand of God, his own conversation where he received the Ten Commandments and other information, the way the Jews turned away from God, and how they wandered the desert until that generation was past before finally coming into the promised land?
You don't think Noah witnessed the commandment to build an ark to save his own family and many animals from the coming flood?
You don't think people witnessed the prophets predicting the birth of Jesus Christ?
So you deny the Bible. gotit.
So you deny the Bible, gotit.
There are no fairies in the Bible.
The Earth was not annihilated. It's still here.
Into the Night
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There are no fairies in the Bible, Void. You seem stuck on your false dichotomy fallacy as well.
Go learn what 'psychopath' means.
I do not accept your assertion that a Christian, a Jew, an agnostic, a scientist, a historian must accept the story of the Ark as a literal and accurate account of a historical event.
It's a story compiled by scribes a thousand years after the events it narrates. That's not how real historical narrative works.
You have to actually respect literary style if you want to be a person interested in the truth.
As far as I can tell it's an ancient Hebrew story which illustrates that evil does not ultimately prevail and eventually faces judgement and annihilation. It seems to me more like a parable than a literal historical report.
Genesis 1 is Hebrew poetry that describes creation at the level of metaphor and symbolism.
The evidence that there was a huge population of Hebrew slaves in Egypt is practically non existent.
Moses might be vaguely and indirectly loosely based on a leader of Israelites living in Egypt, but the broad arc of the story in Exodus isn't literally historical.
The Ark is an ancient Hebrew story that supports a moral lesson. It is not a report of a literal historical event.
The Bible isn't a history book, even if it is peppered with some nuggets of historical data.
Jesus is a direct descendent of Adam! The Bible isn't fiction !
Into the Night
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It describes the creation of the Earth. What is the metaphor? What is the symbolism?
People don't generally write about their slaves, Cyborg.
I already know you deny the Bible, Cyborg. You don't have to keep proving it.
Obviously you never read it.
History isn't a book, Cyborg. The Bible describes history. It does not matter if you think the Bible is fiction or not.
Into the Night
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I already know you discard the Bible, Cyborg. You don't have to keep proving it.
Yes it is, Cyborg.
Literary style determines the truth?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! THAT's a new one!
You just made my sig list!I already know you discard the Bible, Cyborg.
ZenMode
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You don't have to, but then you are saying that the Bible is presenting a story as an actual event that never happened. When you present something as something it's not, that is a lie, is it not?
Why do you believe the ark isn't real and what else do you think didn't happen? Adam & Eve? Virgin birth? The various miracles?
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If the Bible story about Adam & Eve is true, then we are all descendants of Adam and Eve....and the result of a LOT of incest.
Ichabod Stain
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your brain is a quagmire of made up bullshit.
Ichabod Stain
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I didn't say determines.Literary style determines the truth?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! THAT's a new one!
I said if you're interested in seeking the truth.
When you ignore literary style you will sabotage any effort in searching for the truth.
If you read 'Lord of the Rings' as a historical account you are really going to fool yourself about the truth of history.
If you read 'Journey to the Center of the Earth' as a scientific report, you are going to be dumber than before you read the book.
If the read 'Genesis 1' as scientific literature you are ignoring it's purpose as poetry.
Ichabod Stain
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you're an idiot.