Reality check on electric cars

[T. A. Gardner]

Electric pickup trucks are more reliable than their ICE counterparts: analysts​

Electric pickup trucks are built to efficiently lug heavier weights such as towing or pulling a trailer, similar to gas-powered ones.

Michael Laroche replaced his Ford F-150 pickup truck with its electric twin, the F-150 Lightning, about a year-and-a-half ago.

A Sherbrooke, Que., resident who installs electric vehicle chargers for a living, Laroche says he drives somewhere between 300 and 400 kilometres a day, three to four times a week. After he replaced the combustion-engine pickup with the electric alternative, he says the cost of his operations has dropped significantly.

“I’m charging the truck during the night, for something like 14 to 15 hours to fully charge the truck, and I’m ready to go,” Laroche said in an interview.

He said his monthly electric bill, which includes both household consumption and vehicle charging, is now at $350 on average for the last 15 months. The bill may be costly, but a better alternative when compared with Laroche’s $450 a week on gasoline — saving him $1,400 a month in fuel costs....

 

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ya you know what i am not even going to dive deep into your video or what the other guy says in his as my claim re EV's has never been they are perfect for everything YET. And our argument always comes down to you pointing to the cases where they are not perfect as if i cannot do the same with almost every segment of ICE vehicles.

It is a small percent of the buying public who needs a big heavy long haul truck and they probably should mostly stick to ICE, but that does not mean EV's as still newer to that segment are not making serious inroads.

 

[Into the Night]

As you always do when you are losing an argument you try and change the topic.

He is not losing any argument or trying to change the topic. YOU ARE. Pivot fallacy.

We were not discussing 'want' or 'desire' and WERE discussing your comment that EV's could not be good cars if you commuted outside the city.

and my point refuting that stands.

You never refuted anything. EVs are terrible cross country vehicles.

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Here is the final point you cannot refute.

the vast majority of people in America live in cities with good infrastructure that easily supports EV use.

Of that vast majority only a tiny percent will NEED or WANT to drive the very rural routes you can hand craft to make an EV struggle, and ALL THE ELSE, can use an EV with no issues.

You don't find EVs traveling cross country. You only find them around cities. They are just too inconvenient for cross country use.

 

[Into the Night]

Yeah, they are like you led by the wealthy and energy companies. Stay in the past and drag the country back with you. There were a few companies that were building battery plants until Trump got in office. They stopped. He ended the building of charging stations. It will take time to get back where we were but we lost a lot of time.

EVs are older than gasoline cars. YOU are the Luddite.

 

[Into the Night]

and yet i know a lot of people with EV's in NYC and Toronto and Vancouver downtowns and a few other major cities i used to travel a ton and once they bought their first EV's they were never going back.

Attempted proof by anecdote.

The VAST majority of people living in cities commute is from Home, to work, while dropping kids at school, and maybe hitting a grocery store on the way home, all done at the charge they got at their home.

Dangerous. EV fires typically happen due to damage to a single EV battery, or during the charting (while it's in your house!).
Houses burn down that way, dude.

That makes up the BULK of miles people drive with then weekend getaways in drives that are less than 4 hours each way for a small but significant percent.

An expensive commuter car. Whoopie.

So again, for the BULK of the population who are city people with occasional weekend trips EV's are ideal.

An expensive commuter car. Whoopie.

 

[Into the Night]

that is why i did not ONLY offer the anecdote and also offered evidence.

That was the only evidence, Kewpie; your anecdote.

And you should be less stupid saying stuff like the above as this is only one of numerous anecdotes you have offered tonight in your argument as you point to a conclusion from your anecdote.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[Lionfish]

Sure is nice driving an EV and not being impacted by oil prices.

Chevy Volt?

 

[Into the Night]

Wrong it was what he said.

And the "more" than a few places are all the same complexion of 'rural out of the way places with almost no large population centers nearby'.


That is really it. Everywhere else an EV works just fine for all.

EVs suck at cross country. Stopping for a recharge essentially means an overnight stay.

 

[Into the Night]

My son's job has him traveling the state. He uses his electric car and has no problems. Michigan has halted building new chargers due to Trump's stupidity. But there are still a lot. Type in" charging stations near me" on the phone and it will light up with options.

Attempted proof by anecdote.

 

[Into the Night]

You can trust AI to plan it for you and let me know how that goes.

Any time that I've ever tested out AI with planning just about anything (even simple stuff like planning out a day at a state park), it "gets it wrong" way too often. I end up having to correct all sorts of mistakes that the AI makes to the point where I'm the one who is actually still doing much of the planning.

I wouldn't trust AI at all when it comes to something more serious (such as planning a long trip in an EV).

It is pretty hilarious the way AI fouls up! I've seen it tell people to use train tracks for cars, direct 'em down a dead end or dirt road thinking it's a through road, direct a car to drive off a dock in to the water, etc.

Nuthin' like Google Maps!

 

[Into the Night]

Ya but that is because you refuse to google or AI and think your logic, and 'thinking for yourself', is enough to be able to figure it out.

It is.

So no wonder everything is wrong when someone stupid like you won't use the tools that would help you.

Don't try to substitute GoogleAI for your brain. There are enough zombies wandering around.

 

[Into the Night]

What I offered wasn't anecdote.

an·ec·dote
[ˈanɪkdəʊt]
noun
anecdote (noun)
anecdotes (plural noun)

1. a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person

I gave you a quantification based on observation. I drove a route and looked for Teslas and EV's as I drove it. I kept track of the number I saw. That isn't anecdote.

Corroborated. I travel cross country regularly. I see no EVs until I get near cities. They just aren't practical for cross country use.

 

[Into the Night]

I refuse to use them as sources because they pull from leftist propaganda and they are wrong way too often.

Like I said, I've experimented with AI in something as simple as planning a day at a state park and it gets too many details wrong (which I then have to inform AI as to what it is wrong about and why it is wrong, which it then corrects). In the end, it's still me doing most of the planning because I have to often correct the details that AI gets wrong.

In one example, it was informing me about an underpass project that could affect my day there. The only issue is that the underpass project was already completed years ago. I already knew that fact, but the AI didn't, so I had to correct the AI about that fact. It also gets information about access and availability of bathrooms wrong (e.g. it doesn't list all available bathrooms at the location, gets the locations of the bathrooms wrong, and it isn't always correct about the types of bathrooms that they are). It also too-often gets details about the trails wrong (like where they are, where they go, their length, etc). On a very generic basis, it usually does decent-enough, but diving into details, it too-often gets it wrong.

If I can't even trust it to plan out a simple day at a state park, I most certainly wouldn't trust it to plan out a day trip in an EV.

What do you suppose people did before AI?

Like I said, I've tested out "the tools" and I find them to be very lacking in terms of accuracy. I wouldn't recommend relying upon them.

Google AI keeps directing me to a freeway that isn't there. It's under construction. It likes to direct me into the nearby lake from time to time as well. Apparently it's been informed there is a bride there...?

 

[Into the Night]

ya you know what i am not even going to dive deep into your video or what the other guy says

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

in his as my claim re EV's has never been they are perfect for everything YET.

DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

And our argument always comes down to you pointing to the cases where they are not perfect as if i cannot do the same with almost every segment of ICE vehicles.

A gasoline truck towing such a trailer can refuel in just a few minutes and has longer range. It is also much easier to access a fuel pump or to even carry extra fuel with you.

It is a small percent of the buying public who needs a big heavy long haul truck

The F150 is not a heavy truck. It is Ford's 2nd smallest pickup truck (the Ranger or Maverick is smaller).
Towing only 60 miles sucks. Not practical for cross country use. The F150E won't go long haul.

and they probably should mostly stick to ICE, but that does not mean EV's as still newer to that segment are not making serious inroads.

They aren't.

 

[Into the Night]

Exactly.

i know personally a LOT of people with EV's and they love them. What other original observation can be made? That is what i did. Sure it isn't statistically significant and i never said it was, but it is quantitative evidence.

Yours however is subject to you as a liar and not to believed

An expensive commuter car.

Heavy too. A Tesla Model 3 weighs as much as my truck! They require special high load tires and a high load braking system.

 

[Into the Night]

does not matter.

If you are driving across America today and especially in remote areas and your view is 'i refuse to use google or AI to identify any EV charging or infrastracture as people existed and managed before the internet with logic', and then you are the one reporting back 'EV's are not conventiant yet as i cannot find charging stations and infrastructure' then the only response is to point and laugh at you.

Okay. You find your charging station. Then you get to wait HOURS to 'refuel'. You get to wait HOURS for someone else to finish charging before you can even plug in. You get to enjoy a forced trip to another charging station (if one is in range!) because the one you depended on to stop at is broken.

yes we all survived prior to the internet.

Not with EVs.

I have traversed the country with paper maps. But google maps on cell is MUCH better. Just because i can point to times google maps does fail, and it does, does not mean is better to traverse the country using logic.

Logic does not 'traverse' the country. Logic is a closed functional system, like mathematics.

You are an idiot.

if someone says 'Trump never golfed at XYZ golf course before' and is arguing with someone who says 'yes he did' then arguing using logic only and refusing to google or use AI to aggregate proof (articles and photos) is just idiotic. You both keep claiming 'no my logic is correct... no mine it" and no one wins the argument as you go back and forth forever with no proof.

Random pivot ignored.

and i know why magats hate when people bring proof and facts to arguments as those never support magats so they only want the back and forth of logic or opinion as they live in a world of alternative facts and Ai and google won't support that.

Magats is not a word, Kewpie. Non-English portion ignored.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, Google Maps works well for map-related data.

Reasonably well. Like any map, it has errors.

You use AI to do your thinking for you.

That he does. More and more Democrats seem to be doing this. They are substituting AI for their brain. It's like more and more zombies wandering around.

Trump was not at Bedminster golf course last week.

I said Google Maps (or paper maps or etc). I didn't say AI.

You're lying about what I've said. This is what you always do.

That he does.

 

[Into the Night]

Ai and google search work well for aggragating basic data which allows the person sort thru it and verify and substantiate their point.

AI is not a proof. Google is not a proof. Google is not God.

So here is example for you. I know thru past readings that google maps still makes errors but without using google search to find an example for you i would have an enormous chore in giving any proof. so AGAIN i ask you, tell me how you would get this type of proof, for any such instance like this where you were telling someone something that they did not believe or agree with? be specific.

Attempted proof by contrivance.

When Google Maps gets it wrong, who's to blame? And how do you get it fixed?​

It's users beware, says expert, when following Google Maps, and people need to realize app has limitations​

When Google Maps gets it wrong, Google Maps is to blame. It really is pretty simple, Kewpie.

 

[Into the Night]

and i am not lying about what you said.

Lie. Denial. DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

you went from claiming using these things instead of 'logic' was wrong to me finally getting you to admit you do use them and think they are helpful.

You are trying to pretend there is some big difference in the way you use them but that is the lie.

Non-English portion ignored.

 

[Into the Night]

EVs are getting a sales spurt due to the Trump war of choice.

Lie. Synthesis. What war?

Trump is as atavistic as Gardner. But some people are getting the message.

Mantra 1a. What 'message'?