Trump to Visit China

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Jack Grealish

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In the past few days, U.S. Air Force C-17 transport aircraft have landed multiple times at Beijing Capital International Airport. This means the U.S. is making preparations for Trump’s trip to Beijing. The plan for Trump to visit China is being carried out. Also noted this morning is that the war in Iran appears to have paused once again. Of course, it is hard to tell whether this is a short-term ceasefire or if the war is truly coming to an end. Either way, things seem to be moving in a positive direction. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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Phantasmal said:
I think this is a very bad idea.
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From a Chinese perspective, this visit is not a bad thing. But it's also true that people don't have high expectations for it. Looking back at the 2024 U.S. presidential election, I think overall people had a positive view of Trump — I'm only talking about the popular level, since the official stance has its own rigor, and I can't just speak for it based on my own impressions. If you use the American left-right political spectrum to categorize Chinese ideology, I think Chinese ideology is closer to the American right. That's why we like Elon Musk so much. And why when we watch Tucker Carlson's show, we find his views relatively easy to accept. When Chinese people saw video clips of Elon Musk supporting Trump, those clips went viral on Chinese social media. People really wanted Trump to win. Sure, people also say that "no matter who becomes U.S. president, there will still be a certain level of confrontation with China" — and that's true too — but what I mean is, just in terms of ideological preference, Chinese people did hope Trump would win.

So it's a strange experience, seeing some American right-wing Trump supporters on this forum take an extremely hostile stance toward China, mixed with a lot of fantasy—the China they imagine in their heads is vastly different from the real China (I feel like I've made this point countless times). They don't even realize that those Chinese people were originally on their side.

But none of this will have much impact on U.S.-China diplomatic relations. Clearly, China's diplomatic strategy toward the U.S. is focused entirely on the non-public side. The U.S. president, senior officials, and CEOs of major companies—no doubt about it—these people know China very well. They visit China frequently, so of course they understand that China does not harbor the kind of enormous hostility toward the U.S. that ordinary Americans imagine (not the kind of confrontation someone like Hawkeye10 imagines). It's just that they don't publicly express these views to the American people.
 
The Province of Taiwan is off the table, Trump will ask for help with Iran but will be told that we are the ones in the wrong, and about 20 CEO's are going as Trump hopes for trade deals but since we keep weaponizing trade China is not very interested in that.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The Province of Taiwan is off the table, Trump will ask for help with Iran but will be told that we are the ones in the wrong, and about 20 CEO's are going as Trump hopes for trade deals but since we keep weaponizing trade China is not very interested in that.
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It'll be better for all involved in the end.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The Province of Taiwan is off the table, Trump will ask for help with Iran but will be told that we are the ones in the wrong, and about 20 CEO's are going as Trump hopes for trade deals but since we keep weaponizing trade China is not very interested in that.
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The Taiwan issue is part of the discussion, but it is far from any kind of written agreement. It's not exactly a secret that China does not plan to resolve this issue before 2030 by setting some kind of deadline. Trump doesn't have to make that difficult decision. So he won't face any pressure on this matter. This is also why the Iran war happened. Because senior U.S. government officials know that even if there is a military power vacuum in East Asia, there won't be any consequences.
 
Jack Grealish said:
In the past few days, U.S. Air Force C-17 transport aircraft have landed multiple times at Beijing Capital International Airport. This means the U.S. is making preparations for Trump’s trip to Beijing. The plan for Trump to visit China is being carried out. Also noted this morning is that the war in Iran appears to have paused once again. Of course, it is hard to tell whether this is a short-term ceasefire or if the war is truly coming to an end. Either way, things seem to be moving in a positive direction. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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The Iran war is currently a stalemate, not whatever rosy feeling you are having about it today.

And tRump will likely come back from China very happy with Xi Jin Ping because his opinion is always that of the last person he spoke to. It will only last a couple of days while his handlers set him straight though.
 
Jack Grealish said:
The Taiwan issue is part of the discussion, but it is far from any kind of written agreement. It's not exactly a secret that China does not plan to resolve this issue before 2030 by setting some kind of deadline. Trump doesn't have to make that difficult decision. So he won't face any pressure on this matter. This is also why the Iran war happened. Because senior U.S. government officials know that even if there is a military power vacuum in East Asia, there won't be any consequences.
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The only thing that will be talked about is US arming the Province.....and nothing will come of it.....as for anything else China says that it is none of our business and will not be discussed.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
"I think the Chinese will lay on a wonderful piece of theatre, with troops parading and red carpets everywhere, and they will give something for Trump to say, ‘Look, they treated me so well. My friend Xi, it was wonderful,’ and the content will be zero.”

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"China attaches great importance to U.S.-China relations" is not an empty phrase. Most of the time, what holds back the development of good relations between the two countries is the United States' extremely strong Cold War mindset. When Trump visited China in 2016, China did everything it could to prepare for him, from trade lists to diplomatic ceremony, but that did nothing to stop the large-scale hostile actions taken by the U.S. government afterward. The Chinese can't even really understand what benefit any of this brings to the United States.
 
Jack Grealish said:
"China attaches great importance to U.S.-China relations" is not an empty phrase. Most of the time, what holds back the development of good relations between the two countries is the United States' extremely strong Cold War mindset. When Trump visited China in 2016, China did everything it could to prepare for him, from trade lists to diplomatic ceremony, but that did nothing to stop the large-scale hostile actions taken by the U.S. government afterward. The Chinese can't even really understand what benefit any of this brings to the United States.
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This time there is no indication that anything is being done, as if this will be empty theater.
 
China knows very well of the Empires plans to strangle China....the Empire thinkers have written a ton about that and destroying Iran and trying to break up Russia are both part of that plan. Mearsheimer says this is all fine and dandy, this is how nations operate normally. I disagree.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This time there is no indication that anything is being done, as if this will be empty theater.
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The mainstream view in Chinese society is that U.S.-China relations are a complex mix of competition and cooperation. There is no "moment of victory." It will remain in a state where various factors are all mixed together for a long time. So even if this kind of diplomatic activity produces no written agreements, efforts to move it forward will continue.

I really hate talking in this kind of diplomatic style, but that view really is true. I don't think Chinese society has this idea that "we must defeat the U.S. in some kind of Cold War and take over as the world's dominant power." Neither the government nor the general public thinks that way. To the Chinese, this is all just ordinary life—just trying to keep developing as best they can. There's nothing dramatic or mystical about it.
 
Jack Grealish said:
The mainstream view in Chinese society is that U.S.-China relations are a complex mix of competition and cooperation. There is no "moment of victory." It will remain in a state where various factors are all mixed together for a long time. So even if this kind of diplomatic activity produces no written agreements, efforts to move it forward will continue.

I really hate talking in this kind of diplomatic style, but that view really is true. I don't think Chinese society has this idea that "we must defeat the U.S. in some kind of Cold War and take over as the world's dominant power." Neither the government nor the general public thinks that way. To the Chinese, this is all just ordinary life—just trying to keep developing as best they can. There's nothing dramatic or mystical about it.
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I am not going to read this....I have a movie to get to and I doubt very much you are Chinese....you sound like an Empire propagandist trying to sound Chinese.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am not going to read this....I have a movie to get to and I doubt very much you are Chinese....you sound like an Empire propagandist trying to sound Chinese.
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I'm just offering some of the most common views you'll find in Chinese society. These views are basically in line with the official stance. If that bothers you, it just means you haven't looked closely enough at Chinese society.
 
Here's something unique about the Chinese people. If you ask them, "What do you think of the United States?" you might get all kinds of casual, off-the-cuff opinions that don't really hold up to scrutiny. But if you ask them, "What would you do if you were the government official in charge of managing U.S.-China relations?" they immediately switch to a different way of thinking—one that doesn't involve much emotion. Everyone will come to a conclusion that's very close to the Chinese government's official position. Any Chinese person can effortlessly step into the role of Foreign Ministry spokesperson on the spot and give you an absolutely correct official stance. And this isn't because people have been force-fed official views. It's because once a Chinese person starts seriously thinking through the issue, their views naturally become almost identical to the official position.
 
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