Ohhh. I am totally behind it then.
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Ohhh. I am totally behind it then.
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The Almighty
READ the thread yurt... we called him a RAPIST and said it was FACT. You immediately tried providing excuses as to why he 'might not be a rapist'. Such idiocy as 'well, he might have had false guilt' etc... You also provided the great example that 'something just doesn't smell right' when you initially were defending him. Not to mention the stupidity of 'he is not a rapist because he wasn't convicted' line of crap.
You keep going back to 'I want to try him and you don't' which is an absurd statement. WANTING to see justice is one thing Yurt... we all want that. But in a court of law it is the responsibility of the DA and the attorney for the client to advise against a trial if they don't think they have enough evidence to CONVICT. A point your tiny little mind is incapable of grasping.
Funny... but are you not the one trying to find excuses for why the man who admitted to raping this woman, might not really be a rapist? Because that is what it looks like to the rest of the world yurt.
Again you display your ignorance. An attorney filing or not has NOTHING TO DO with whether 'an actual rape occurred'. You fucking moron. It has to do with whether or not the attorney THINKS THEY HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO CONVICT.
This is where your deranged world is comical. You state you would 'do everything possible to bring this guy to justice' all the while proclaiming 'he might be innocent even though he confessed to raping her' and 'the lack of motion to compel suggested there might not have been a rape'.
Your 'I would bring this case to court, regardless of whether or not I had enough evidence to get a conviction because I could care less about putting my client through this, I just care that I brought this case to court' is evidence that you are going to make a shitty lawyer, should you ever manage to pass the bar.
So dear little yurt.... do stop denying your love for the rapists... it is evident in what you write.
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i hope onceler keeps bumping this thread....maybe if he does it enough times SF will finally see his spazz and regain some credibility
it does?
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wow...you've gone over the edge...she said she wanted to go to court and that she was upset the DA would not prosecute.... but you as her attorney would not put her through that
its a good thing you're just a trash collector instead of an attorney, your client would have just sued you for being stupid...lolgood lord, you're cracking me up with this uber spazzing
Yes, it does seem that way.
I understand that you view it through the eyes of a lawyer, thus everything can only be defined through the law. However, most of us realize that even if somebody is acquitted, let alone never brought to trial, they can still be a rapist/jaywalker/killer/speeder and not even be "alleged"...
It's all good to me. However, three answers to one "bump" does appear excessive and make it seem that you are bugged, whether you are or not.
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damo...i've repeatedly said it highly likely he is guilty...it isn't just the law part that bothers me, it was the fact her attorney didn't bring the motion and then apple did a great job of expounding on my other concerns regarding guilty
legally...it is alleged and presumed innocent until conviction...and thats all i've been saying, under our laws he is not a rapist, however, he can still be a rapist, you get it....i have no idea why others can't process such a simple concept
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wow...you've gone over the edge...she said she wanted to go to court and that she was upset the DA would not prosecute.... but you as her attorney would not put her through that
good lord, you're cracking me up with this uber spazzing
Yes, dear little yurt.... if I were her attorney, I would not put her through it if there was not enough evidence to get a conviction. She may SAY she wants to get up there, but as the attorney, I would know (as Soc pointed out) what the defense attorney would put her through. As a lawyer Yurt you will find that your JOB is to advise your clients on the best course of action... it is not to give them whatever they want. You have a duty to protect them.... from themselves if necessary.
If there was not enough evidence to convict what do you gain for her by going to trial?
1) The defense attorney ripping her story apart
2) A nice legal fee that she gets to pay?
3) Court costs
What else Yurt? WHAT is the upside of filing that motion to compel if you know the evidence is not there? The FACT that she wanted to go, yet the attorney talked her out of it should tell you that there was not enough evidence to convict. There was enough to cause a reasonable doubt yurt. You fucking moron.
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stop embarrassing yourself....soc changed his opinion after i told him the transcripts show she wanted her day in court...he made his observations before that....too bad you're spazzing out though and can't see the truth
the upside to filing the motion is evident and its disturbing you can't see it....the client would have a day in court, if a court ruled that there is no enough evidence to compel the motion, that is vastly different than hearing it from the DA, its not a frivilous motion...and its possible that if the motion is granted, MORE EVIDENCE could come to light...the benefit of not bringing it is nothing, the benefit of bringing the motion and possibly getting more evidence or a confession from this guy far outweighs "nothing"....you're just being plain stupid
i am 99% positive there are more facts to this case than you or i know...unlike you, however, i don't go making my opinion fact
and thanks for bumpting that post, it does a great job of showing how stup;id you are on this issue
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POOR yurt... you still are too fucking ignorant to comprehend aren't you. HER WANTING TO has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT you fucking twit. If her attorney felt there was not enough evidence then it is her/his responsibility to tell the client that. THERE IS NO REASON TO GO TO COURT.
This is where you again are lost.... We are not talking about what the DA said Yurt... we are talking about HER ATTORNEY. If HER ATTORNEY didn't feel there was enough, HER ATTORNEY should have the experience to let her know that without having to go to court. THERE IS NOTHING for her to gain by having the court say 'motion denied' if her attorney knows that is going to happen.
Wow... now you are just pulling shit out of your ass in a vain attempt to appear knowledgeable. MORE EVIDENCE could come to light? Please... provide us with an example of what 'might come to light'.
LMAO... so now you are back to 'getting a confession' from this guy? I truly hope you never pass the bar or some unfortunate people are going to end up with a fool for an attorney. I can just see you now, running up legal fees for no reason other than you really really really want to go to court.
LMAO... you know NOTHING about his case, so I would venture to guess that there is indeed a lot YOU don't know. That does not change the FACT that the guy is a rapist. It does not change the FACT that she is a victim. No matter how much you try to spin with your bullshit, those two FACTS remain.
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yoiu're hopeless....
now your changing your tune...first you wouldn't want to put her through the pain...then when you find out she wants to go to court, its only you wouldn't because there is not enough evidence...thats what the motion to compel is for you dumb fucking tool
you're so far gone and dishonest on this topic is worhtless to even discuss it with you...you won't accept anythjiong but your opinion, you have no clue if a judge would grant the motoin or not...if she wants to bring it....she is entitled to her dahy in court
as long as the claim is not frivilous, each and every person in this country is entitled to bring a claim in court...you are just a fucking angry moron who can't see the truth becaujse you've entrenched yourself so deep by convincing yourself that you opinion is fact you won't accept any reason....you're delusional and i'm glad you're not an attorney, keep frying those french fries....
now your changing your tune...first you wouldn't want to put her through the pain...then when you find out she wants to go to court, its only you wouldn't because there is not enough evidence...thats what the motion to compel is for you dumb fucking tool
you're so far gone and dishonest on this topic is worhtless to even discuss it with you...you won't accept anythjiong but your opinion, you have no clue if a judge would grant the motoin or not...if she wants to bring it....she is entitled to her dahy in court
as long as the claim is not frivilous, each and every person in this country is entitled to bring a claim in court...you are just a fucking angry moron who can't see the truth becaujse you've entrenched yourself so deep by convincing yourself that you opinion is fact you won't accept any reason....you're delusional and i'm glad you're not an attorney, keep frying those french fries....
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No dear little yurt.... I am not changing anything. I am addressing your point about her wanting to go to court. It is her attorney's job to assess the case. If the attorney feels they can win the motion, then the attorney should follow her wishes and attempt to do so. If her attorney doesn't feel they have enough evidence to convict, her attorney should have the fortitude to let her know that even by some miracle if the motion were granted that she would lose and gain nothing by going to court. That she would be put through the wringer by the defense attorney who could easily form the reasonable doubt to get the defendant off.
This is your problem yurt... WANTING to go to court is not enough. There has to be enough evidence in the eyes of her attorney to feel a conviction is possible. If the attorney doesn't feel it is possible, it is up to the attorney to let her know why they are not proceeding with the motion and the case.
That does not change the FACT that she is a victim and the FACT that he is a rapist.
wow... poor little yurt went full on spaz now.... ask any attorney yurt... if they don't think they have a chance at winning whether they would take the case to court. The only ones that would take it to court are the ones that would attempt to generate fees for themselves.
You pretend that her DESIRE to go to court should mean her attorney should do it regardless of the merits of the case and the evidence available. Only a true blood sucker would do so.
Now... your love affair with rapists is apparent and it also appears you are going to cling to your spin no matter what. So do go on with your idiocy yurt. It is providing great amusement to the board. You future attorney you.
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its clear you're going to continue dishonestly portraying what i've said, changing your stance, claiming i love rapist (childish btw and only hurts your presentation), and trying to pass off your opinion as fact
its also clear you've never talked with an attorney, i guess working in the basement at burger king you don't get the chance.....as with doctors, attorney opinions vary, further, any attorney should take case to court (if not frivolous) if the client wants their day in court despite the attorney telling them they have little if no chance at winning. you're just showing your ignorance. and just because the attorney feels they won't win, doesn't mean he/she is right. so long as the case is not frivilous, the client is entitled to bring their case, i know you hate that, and if you were an attorney, you would be broke and likely disbarred....you are so clueless concerning the legal profession
you should really stfu about it because you're making a fool of yourself
now....don't forget to groan this post
talk about obsessive leg humping.....
its also clear you've never talked with an attorney, i guess working in the basement at burger king you don't get the chance.....as with doctors, attorney opinions vary, further, any attorney should take case to court (if not frivolous) if the client wants their day in court despite the attorney telling them they have little if no chance at winning. you're just showing your ignorance. and just because the attorney feels they won't win, doesn't mean he/she is right. so long as the case is not frivilous, the client is entitled to bring their case, i know you hate that, and if you were an attorney, you would be broke and likely disbarred....you are so clueless concerning the legal profession
you should really stfu about it because you're making a fool of yourself
now....don't forget to groan this post
talk about obsessive leg humping.....
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poor yurt... yes, I am exaggerating when I say you love rapists... I know you simply wish to pretend that even those that say "I raped her" somehow might not have meant it.
Sorry yurt, I talk with attorneys all the time, I have clients in most professions... especially professional. You seem familiar with the layouts of burger kings... they really have basements? Interesting factoid there yurt, thanks for sharing.
No dear little yurt, you are showing yours. If an attorney thinks a client has little to no chance of winning, they SHOULD NOT TAKE THE CASE TO COURT. It is a waste of everyone's time and money and clogs the system. It is the attorney's responsibility to set expectations and refuse to take such cases.
Any competent attorney in a case such as this is going to know, as SOC pointed out, just how to create the reasonable doubt to win the case for the defense. In this case, it is not that 'it might be close', if that were the case, the attorney would have filed the motion or the DA would have taken the case. But that did not happen here yurt... you poor demented little twit. Yet you keep proclaiming that the case should be brought anyway. That is simply retarded.
Sorry yurt... I have a much higher ethical standard than those who become attorneys. I know it bugs you when a lay person knows more about the profession that you wish to pursue than you do. That is just too bad.
Shall we take a poll on this yurt.... see who the greater fool is on this topic?
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there is no way you talk to attorneys...your lack of knowledge is abhorrent
once again, an attorney can and should take a case if the client wants to pursue it and it is not frivilous and once again, the attorney is not always right...you have never talked about this to any attorney, by contrast i have talked about this issue with numerous attorneys and the vast majority would take the case to court for the client if, after advisement of the slim chances, the client still wanted to take it to court, i know you hate the law and truth, but they are in fact entitled to have their day in court and no amount of whining and ranting from you is going to change that....call me stupid, incompetent all day long but you can not change reality
i know of many cases where the attorney thought the chances of winning were low and informed the client, but the client wanted to go to court and the client was right....but you would have us all believe that the attorney is always right...talk about stupid....
i don't love rapists and you cliaming only shows you're retarded on this issue...you're going to spin and lie and go no where with this...you haven't once addressed apple's concern....to agree that there are cases where those who have confessed are not guilty, to agree that some do confess after being arrested, but then to claim to know 100% in this case is really foolish
take your poll, it really shows how immature you are and how angry you are over getting your ass handed to you....no matter how much you try and pass off your opinion as fact, it simply isn't....so you have resorted to saying i love rapist, lying about what i've said, using soc as authority when soc changed his opinion....etc....its desperate and pathetic
enjoy your continued leg humping
once again, an attorney can and should take a case if the client wants to pursue it and it is not frivilous and once again, the attorney is not always right...you have never talked about this to any attorney, by contrast i have talked about this issue with numerous attorneys and the vast majority would take the case to court for the client if, after advisement of the slim chances, the client still wanted to take it to court, i know you hate the law and truth, but they are in fact entitled to have their day in court and no amount of whining and ranting from you is going to change that....call me stupid, incompetent all day long but you can not change reality
i know of many cases where the attorney thought the chances of winning were low and informed the client, but the client wanted to go to court and the client was right....but you would have us all believe that the attorney is always right...talk about stupid....
i don't love rapists and you cliaming only shows you're retarded on this issue...you're going to spin and lie and go no where with this...you haven't once addressed apple's concern....to agree that there are cases where those who have confessed are not guilty, to agree that some do confess after being arrested, but then to claim to know 100% in this case is really foolish
take your poll, it really shows how immature you are and how angry you are over getting your ass handed to you....no matter how much you try and pass off your opinion as fact, it simply isn't....so you have resorted to saying i love rapist, lying about what i've said, using soc as authority when soc changed his opinion....etc....its desperate and pathetic
enjoy your continued leg humping
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btw...since you think soc is an expert...why don't you ask him about taking a case to court....
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Ok, here's what I know. In New Mexico, there is no way to compel the District Attorney to move to indictment. We cannot file a motion to compel indictment. If we could then an attorney would be required to if his client wanted it, or to withdraw as counsel. The ONLY thing that attorney's can be forced to do in NM is file an appeal in a criminal case.
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what if the attorney thought there was little or no chance of winning?
what about in a civil case....if you thought there was little or no chance of success, but the case is not frivilous, and your client wanted to pay you take the case to court...wouuld you? if not, do you think it is unethical, stupid, incompetent etc.... for an attorney to do so?
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