What is it with the 'car driving' analogy and dems?

Dixie said:
No, you lived in the "Sonny and Cher" days, where everyone wore peace beads and smoked dope while protesting Vietnam, and you missed those days so much, you had to try and relive them again. You can take the DNC platform for McGovern and the DNC platform for Obama, and aside from a few changes in phraseology, they are the same.

The only thing Bush 'almost completed' was destroying Conservatism, by trying to appease Liberal democrats with his compassion.
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You know Dixie you touched on something I've thought about. In a very real sense I AM the conservative. I was raised in the 1950's. My dad was the sole provider, and my mom was a housewife and mother. It wasn't called 'family values', it was just family. When I came home from school, no matter what kind of day I had, it immediately became brighter when I walked in the door to an enthusiastic 'Hi honey' from my mom. It not only brightened my day, it helped build self worth and create and reinforce a positive self image. All my friends and school mates had a similar story...a father that worked and a mother that stayed home to raise and nurture their children. None of us kids ever knew or even cared what anyone's father did for a living. None of us had to go without; food, clothing, pets, bikes, baseball gloves, doctor care (our doctor used to come to the house), a real quality education with all the extras; sports, arts, school run ice rink, summer basketball programs etc. But none of us were pampered or spoiled either.

THAT is exactly what I want for my kids and for my grand-kids.

So, what is conservatism? In my opinion, it is respect for the past and the wisdom of our ancestors. Their lives were built on their ancestors and so it goes, from one generation to the next. You ultimately respect the lives and toil of our ancestors not by paying lip service or using empty rhetoric like 'family values'. You do it by embracing their lessons learned; respecting the policies, regulations and programs they crafted that increased the benefits and lessened the losses in our communities and our society we reap the benefits of.

How did our ancestors craft them, were they based on some 'ideology'? I believe they were based on common sense, common decency, experience, trial and error, community activism, elections and community involvement.

So...In a very real way I AM truly a conservative.

Are ANY of the people that now call themselves conservatives today looking for common sense, common decency solutions to benefit their families and their community, or are they ideologues, that want to dismantle any shred of COMMunity and replace it with SELF interest?

That is not 'conservatism', that is narcissism.

"You shall rise in the presence of grey hairs, give honor to the aged, and fear God, I am the Lord"
Leviticus 19:32
 
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They keep telling us to "put the car in 'D'" so you can go "Forward", but they forget we've got four flat tires, and engine light on, and that the fricking car is a STICK SHIFT!

Let's FIX THE CAR!
 
Damocles said:
They keep telling us to "put the car in 'D'" so you can go "Forward", but they forget we've got four flat tires, and engine light on, and that the fricking car is a STICK SHIFT!

Let's FIX THE CAR!
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No, just get a van.

I haven't thought about how that fits into the analogy but you seem like you'd be alright in a van, even more so if it had an A-Team stripe down the side.
 
charver said:
No, just get a van.

I haven't thought about how that fits into the analogy but you seem like you'd be alright in a van, even more so if it had an A-Team stripe down the side.
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It depends on whether my hat matched.

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Damocles said:
They keep telling us to "put the car in 'D'" so you can go "Forward", but they forget we've got four flat tires, and engine light on, and that the fricking car is a STICK SHIFT!

Let's FIX THE CAR!
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Oh damo, arguing over ridiculous hyperbolic partisan analogies. How the mighty have fallen.
 
charver said:
No, just get a van.

I haven't thought about how that fits into the analogy but you seem like you'd be alright in a van, even more so if it had an A-Team stripe down the side.
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Yeah, a VW van/bus with flower decals and psychedelic peace symbols all over it, and funny smelling smoke billowing from the windows... Bfoon's mouth is watering!
 
Bfgrn said:
You know Dixie you touched on something I've thought about. In a very real sense I AM the conservative. I was raised in the 1950's. My dad was the sole provider, and my mom was a housewife and mother. It wasn't called 'family values', it was just family. When I came home from school, no matter what kind of day I had, it immediately became brighter when I walked in the door to an enthusiastic 'Hi honey' from my mom. It not only brightened my day, it helped build self worth and create and reinforce a positive self image. All my friends and school mates had a similar story...a father that worked and a mother that stayed home to raise and nurture their children. None of us kids ever knew or even cared what anyone's father did for a living. None of us had to go without; food, clothing, pets, bikes, baseball gloves, doctor care (our doctor used to come to the house), a real quality education with all the extras; sports, arts, school run ice rink, summer basketball programs etc. But none of us were pampered or spoiled either.

THAT is exactly what I want for my kids and for my grand-kids.
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Forget it. The American Dream is dead, turned into a nightmare by the same people who were against building a strong middle class when you were growing up. The same ideology that my grandfathers fought against in the 1920s-30s in order to work themselves out of economic slavery, and the same people who plotted a coup against FDR for setting a level playing field for labor. The same military/industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about and the same people who have run this country for the last 30 years. Conservatives don't realize that they owe their middle class status to those who fought and died against the same ideology that Dixie backs.
 
Crashk said:
Forget it. The American Dream is dead, turned into a nightmare by the same people who were against building a strong middle class when you were growing up. The same ideology that my grandfathers fought against in the 1920s-30s in order to work themselves out of economic slavery, and the same people who plotted a coup against FDR for setting a level playing field for labor. The same military/industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about and the same people who have run this country for the last 30 years. Conservatives don't realize that they owe their middle class status to those who fought and died against the same ideology that Dixie backs.
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LOL You're full of yourself, and shit.
 
Crashk said:
very intelligent comeback and argument. It's obvious you know a lot about the history of labor and the middle class in this country.
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I know about it from my grandfather, born in 1904, emigrated to Boston by himself from Nova Scotia after being educated to the 8th grade. He used to recite long poems by Longfellow to us kids from memory in a practiced baritone voice, and did algebra problems on scrap paper. He worked five to six days per week from age 14 to when he retired at age 83. He quickly became shift superintendent then foreman and during the depression he was one of the last employees of a factory in Boston and along with his last check they gave him the furniture in his office, which I have now. That was a Friday and he was working for their competition the following Monday. His wife, my grandmother, worked as a maid for a wealthy family until they went bankrupt, and her last pay was in their furniture, some of which I now own and the remainder owned by my uncle and siblings. They had three kids born during the depression and bought a two family house at the height of it, and lived upstairs so they could rent the larger downstairs unit for more money.

They walked to church every morning before work and on Sundays dressed up in the in their best for the long mass before preparing their single meat meal for the week. Monday was leftovers, Tuesday stew, Wednesday soup and when that was gone it was rice, beans and canned vegetables.

He saw the union come in and refused to join, so the company made him a salaried employee to keep him on. He hated the unions since they made the bad workers hard to get rid of and the good ones hard to keep.

When I was born he bought a run-down cabin for $6000 cash and everyone said he was crazy. He and my uncle dug a basement under it in glacial till and a steel-wheeled barrow. My uncle owns it now and it's worth a bit more than what he paid for it.

When I knew him he taught me organic gardening, carpentry, roofing, plumbing, painting, how to drink whiskey, to back a trailer, how to make time with the nice looking waitress and how to split a boulder with a two pound sledge hammer, a star drill and steel wedges.

After paying off their first mortgage they bought a third home, much larger in a better suburb, renovated that and rented both floors of their first home.

So yeah I know a bit about the history of labor and the middle class in this country. Obviously more than you do. :)
 
Damn Yankee said:
I know about it from my grandfather, born in 1904, emigrated to Boston by himself from Nova Scotia after being educated to the 8th grade. He used to recite long poems by Longfellow to us kids from memory in a practiced baritone voice, and did algebra problems on scrap paper. He worked five to six days per week from age 14 to when he retired at age 83. He quickly became shift superintendent then foreman and during the depression he was one of the last employees of a factory in Boston and along with his last check they gave him the furniture in his office, which I have now. That was a Friday and he was working for their competition the following Monday. His wife, my grandmother, worked as a maid for a wealthy family until they went bankrupt, and her last pay was in their furniture, some of which I now own and the remainder owned by my uncle and siblings. They had three kids born during the depression and bought a two family house at the height of it, and lived upstairs so they could rent the larger downstairs unit for more money.

They walked to church every morning before work and on Sundays dressed up in the in their best for the long mass before preparing their single meat meal for the week. Monday was leftovers, Tuesday stew, Wednesday soup and when that was gone it was rice, beans and canned vegetables.

He saw the union come in and refused to join, so the company made him a salaried employee to keep him on. He hated the unions since they made the bad workers hard to get rid of and the good ones hard to keep.

When I was born he bought a run-down cabin for $6000 cash and everyone said he was crazy. He and my uncle dug a basement under it in glacial till and a steel-wheeled barrow. My uncle owns it now and it's worth a bit more than what he paid for it.

When I knew him he taught me organic gardening, carpentry, roofing, plumbing, painting, how to drink whiskey, to back a trailer, how to make time with the nice looking waitress and how to split a boulder with a two pound sledge hammer, a star drill and steel wedges.

After paying off their first mortgage they bought a third home, much larger in a better suburb, renovated that and rented both floors of their first home.

So yeah I know a bit about the history of labor and the middle class in this country. Obviously more than you do. :)
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Interesting story and very close to many family stories, even mine. The only thing I and my family can disagree with is this...
"He hated the unions since they made the bad workers hard to get rid of and the good ones hard to keep."

The union protects workers. The union does not hire workers. The company hires workers. If the company hires lazy workers the union has to protect them, but only for so long. A friend of mine was fired from the steel mill for being lazy and getting 3 pink slips over a 3 month period. The union warned him after 2 that one more and they couldn't protect his job.

Both of my grandfathers worked in the coal mines in W.Va. from the 19teens to the 1950's. They were economic slaves paid in company script. There's a lot of stupid in W.Va. but not them, they were intelligent, hard working people and one was a college grad and an electrician. They both were here...

http://www.glendale.edu/chaparral/apr05/blair.htm

They continued to fight for fair wages until FDR made it a reality. Once unionized they WORKED their way out of slavery and in the 50's and 60' went from poverty to the middle class. One grandfather died of black lung. The other lived to the ripe old age of 92. I spent a lot of time with him and one of his favorite stories was the Battle of Blair Mt. My father worked for only 3 companies in his entire life. As a proud union member he saved his money and started his own trucking company in the late 60's. He knew he wanted to start a trucking co. years before and taught me and other kids in the hood to drive when our legs were long enough to reach the gas. I joined the teamsters and drove blacktop for him for 5+yrs. I guess my point is, without a level field and protection from your corporate masters my family would still be in poverty.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Oh, but I think you would. My primary operative theory is that you are a spoof. My secondary operative theory is that you are a severely repressed homosexual that would love to tongue my balls and wouldn't mind if you got a taste of the 2-hole.
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says the complete party hack. Nice projection onto Dixie. Go ahead and come out of the closet Dung. You will be accepted.
 
Bfgrn said:
Actually, a better car analogy. Your name is Bill, and you just bought a brand new car and paid cash for; no debt.

Your brother-in law George stops over, and you show him the car. He says it's a piece of shit. But George steals the extra set of keys from your younger brother Al and the brother-in law takes off on a joy ride. He smashes up the car, trashes the interior and brings it back smashed, trashed, no oil in the engine, coolant in the radiator and no gas in the tank.

George throws the keys at you and says: "I TOLD you it was a piece of shit!"
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ROFLMAO....

yeah... because Clinton and the Rep Congress didn't run up $1.6 trillion in debt

Because Bush Sr and the Dem Congress didn't run up $1.4 trillion in debt

Because Reagan and the Dem Congress didn't also run up $1.6 trillion in debt

Clinton and the Rep Congress did come close in 2000 to not outspending revenue.... for that, props. But keep in mind.... that same pairing repealed Glass Steagall.... which allowed investment banks and retail banks to merge.
 
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