Why tax cuts DO create jobs!

Yes it did.

And I reiterate:


Now, stop being so stupid.

How was it relevant? How was it relevant to the her valid point that we should be concerned about maintaining production capacities in case of emergencies?

I say it was completely irrelevant. You can attempt to show relevance, or you can just keep being a douchebag about it.
 
You will notice, this thread doesn't begin with a cut-n-paste 'op-ed' from some partisan internet source, like those on the left typically give us. My threads tend to come from me, and my thoughts,

That has to be the clearest admission of culpability I’ve ever come across! :)

Anyway, moving along, you wrote,
The very idea that lowering tax rates on the people who would create a private sector job, wouldn't cause conditions more favorable for them to create a job, is incomprehensible. It defies any reasonable logic. Instead of relying on logic and reality, this viewpoint must rely on incompetent analysis of the information at hand. A presumption that defies reality, and maintains that all rich people will behave in a particular way, all the time. This, of course, is a incoherent thought that is enabled through a developed class envy, which dictates that all rich people will always do and behave in the same manner, regardless of the circumstance. Therefore, in the mind of a pinhead, it makes perfect sense.

Yes, Dixie. Most rich people do think the same way when it comes to money. How often have you seen an interview or read an article where a wealthy person says it was easy making their fortune?

In all of my years of being a jack of all trades, master of none... (I have held about 100 different job titles in my life) I have never once been offered a job by a poor person. The people in our society, who create the jobs and hire the people for those jobs, are not poor, and mostly not even middle class, they are wealthy.

Question: Do you think they hired you because they wanted to share their money or do you think they hired you expecting you to make money for them?

To people with millions or billions of dollars, a 3% increase in tax rate is a pretty big deal. And pinheads can parade around with stupid little numbers trying to show where it doesn't amount to all that much cash to a rich person, but the point is not the cash. There is a cumulative effect when taxes are lowered, it helps promote and create optimism, and encourages those with wealth to become prospective again. Sure, it only means a few more dollars in a rich man's pocket, but he is motivated by things other than money.

Dixie, Dixie, Dixie. People who have worked for their wealth are motivated by money the same way a person who works out at a gym every day in order to have a buff body is motivated to have a buff body. A person who spends hours a day in their garden are motivated by having a nice garden.

Large corporations are sitting on huge reserves of money. They are not moving because they don’t see an opportunity to make more money at this time. That is their motivation; to make money.

Oh, but Dixie.... 1% of the people controls 85% of the wealth!! ....Then you'd think it would behoove us to treat them a little nicer!

According to your logic the French should have been nicer to King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette.


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You will notice, this thread doesn't begin with a cut-n-paste 'ope-ed' from some partisan internet source, like those on the left typically give us. My threads tend to come from me, and my thoughts, and if there is information online to support what I am saying, I may or may not reference it. Unlike mot pinheads, I have enough competency to articulate my own thoughts, and can compose a fairly decent thread without the inclusion of the work of others. But... I understand, it has become a kind of internet tradition, to post a 'cite' to illustrate how your point is valid, because you need support for things that are otherwise insane. If you didn't post those links, people might have you committed or something.

I saw desh's thread entitled; why tax cuts do not create jobs, and I resisted the urge to click it, I knew what was in there already! Yet another piss-pants liberal blogger opinion, rooted and steeped in left-wing myopic idiocy and total misconception of reality. But it's important I resisted the urge to click the link... for a week! That's progress for me!

The very idea that lowering tax rates on the people who would create a private sector job, wouldn't cause conditions more favorable for them to create a job, is incomprehensible. It defies any reasonable logic. Instead of relying on logic and reality, this viewpoint must rely on incompetent analysis of the information at hand. A presumption that defies reality, and maintains that all rich people will behave in a particular way, all the time. This, of course, is a incoherent thought that is enabled through a developed class envy, which dictates that all rich people will always do and behave in the same manner, regardless of the circumstance. Therefore, in the mind of a pinhead, it makes perfect sense.

In reality, there is no true definition of "the rich" ...it's a label. Some people have great assets, but are not rich. Some people are very rich, yet have very few material assets. Some people are wealthy and don't consider themselves wealthy, others are not wealthy, but think they are. And wealth itself, comes in many different forms. Some pinhead will chortle out the stupidity that 40% of rich people inherited their wealth and didn't earn it...but that means 60% of them earned their wealth, every penny of it!

In all of my years of being a jack of all trades, master of none... (I have held about 100 different job titles in my life) I have never once been offered a job by a poor person. The people in our society, who create the jobs and hire the people for those jobs, are not poor, and mostly not even middle class, they are wealthy. To people with millions or billions of dollars, a 3% increase in tax rate is a pretty big deal. And pinheads can parade around with stupid little numbers trying to show where it doesn't amount to all that much cash to a rich person, but the point is not the cash. There is a cumulative effect when taxes are lowered, it helps promote and create optimism, and encourages those with wealth to become prospective again. Sure, it only means a few more dollars in a rich man's pocket, but he is motivated by things other than money. Knowing the tax rates are lower, he also knows tax rates are lower for his competitors, from the others at the top of the food chain, and realizing this, coupled with the drive and determination that brought wealth in the first place, the rich person acts on this impulse.

Oh, but Dixie.... 1% of the people controls 85% of the wealth!! ....Then you'd think it would behoove us to treat them a little nicer!
 
How was it relevant? How was it relevant to the her valid point that we should be concerned about maintaining production capacities in case of emergencies?

I say it was completely irrelevant. You can attempt to show relevance, or you can just keep being a douchebag about it.

If you weren't such a sperm burper, you would be able to see the relevevance.
 
Most small businesses do not hire overseas meaning tax cuts for most business stimulate US jobs (there are more smaller businesses then larger ones). Large corporations do hire/buy overseas depending on the kind of business they have. Until union labor costs in the US are reigned in to a more competitive rate that is not going to change. Made in America needs to be made affordable down the entire retail channel.

Hi Sweety.:)

I see you've snuck in the "Joe the Plumber" argument.

Remember the proposed tax increase on ones earnings going from $250,000/yr to $275,000/yr? The discussion was concerning 3% on the additional $25,000. That's $750.00.

If a small business had the opportunity to make an extra $25,000 by hiring an extra employee(s) but would have to pay an additional $750 do you really believe the owner would decline?

I do agree labor union wages will have to be lowered for globalization to work, however, so will the wages of the owners/operators and others making a fortune. We can't unilaterally lower worker wages when they are expected to contribute to the excessive wages and bonuses of CEOs, etc., be it through purchasing various products.

As for "Made in America needs to be made affordable down the entire retail channel" a solution would be to make things repairable. For example, rather than having to buy a complete computer, including the metal case, if it was designed to be retrofitted as technology improved cost would go down as the metal case would not be required. The same applies to many appliances and even automobiles.

If products made here were repairable the cost for parts would be competitive compared to shipping an entire unit (of whatever) from half way around the world. And, of course, there would be less waste of natural resources and energy currently used to make things we throw away.
 
Whenever you start talking about cutting trade alliances, you are essentially pulling cards from the house of cards which represent all our trade alliances.

You're right about trade alliances! Even families work on a similar basis when it comes to trading services. One member "trades" dinner for, say, washing the car or cutting the lawn.

All married guys are familiar with trading and an isolationist policy when sleeping on the couch. :(

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The thing is, it's not possible to reverse globalization, and if you did, it would likely cause world wars. Global economy is tied together in a way it has never been before, just because of advancement of technology. Instantaneous market analysis and results, anywhere on the globe, by any person. This is powerful, and you fail to consider it, as you immerse yourself in some isolationist 18th century nonsense, that will never work.

US citizens, and business, has interests all over the globe. It is all a vital part of the collective. Whenever you start talking about cutting trade alliances, you are essentially pulling cards from the house of cards which represent all our trade alliances. Everything regarding who we trade with and why, and the basis for things being aligned as they are, is interdependent. Perhaps we trade with China to prevent Russians from trading with China, because Russians would use the trade revenue to control more of Europe's economy? There are a gazillion scenarios that you and I are not privy to, and simply do not know about.

None of this matters to your idiot ass, you just want to repeat your incessant rants about globalist fascists. Blind to your own ignorance.
 
You're right about trade alliances! Even families work on a similar basis when it comes to trading services. One member "trades" dinner for, say, washing the car or cutting the lawn.

All married guys are familiar with trading and an isolationist policy when sleeping on the couch. :(

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But trade alliances that are destroying your own abilities and the lives of your citizens so coporations can get richer are abusive relationships, and should be ended.
 
Yep, I already shop America first when ever possible, I support the local mom and pops before the box stores and I buy bonds!

I shop USA first, when ever possible, as well. When I purchased a snow blower a few years ago I checked a number of stores. Sears had "Made in China" blowers. Plastic parts. Not too practical when it's -30F. and a chunk of ice hits the chute. Their advertising was the snow and ice wouldn't stick to the chute. Probably not as the chute would crack and split apart! LOL
 
But trade alliances that are destroying your own abilities and the lives of your citizens so coporations can get richer are abusive relationships, and should be ended.

The problem lies with the corporations, or rather the people who run them, getting richer and not with the trade policies themselves.
 
The problem lies with the corporations, or rather the people who run them, getting richer and not with the trade policies themselves.

No. the problem is with the trade policies. The way it works is that the policies constrain the corporations. See how that works?
 
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No. the problem is with the trade policies. The way it works is that the policies constrain the corporations. See how that works?

Poverty 101:

Poverty is based on the financial relationship between people. When large discrepancies exist between people we have poverty.

There are plenty of resources in the world as far as food and housing and clothing is concerned. In other words there is enough for everyone. The problem lies in the financial chasm between people.

A person earning the equivalent of $20,000/yr in China or India live a pretty good life. Why? Because other people are earning less.

When we have people earning millions of dollars and receiving hundreds of thousands in bonuses a person earning $250,000/yr is going to be poor in relationship to those individuals.

Look at the way our economy is run. Prices are set at "what the market can bear" rather than on what an item costs to produce. One of the selling tactics used by stores today is to deliberately make it appear there is a scarcity of items.

The same trick is used by some eBay sellers. When eBay would list other sellers of the same product some sellers complained saying they purchased a large quantity but listed a few at a time giving the illusion there was a shortage hoping people would rush to purchase.

It's all this bullshit that results in inequality.

Globalization has to happen. What doesn't have to happen is certain segments of the population becoming extraordinarily wealthy while others have nothing.
 
Small business are also the victims of multinational corporations and their outsourcing.

Most jobs are not unionized, so that union talk is just bullshit. Get a clue, love.

We need protectionism. Stop being such a globalist brainwash victim.

A small business can be a 2.5 million dollar non-union construction company. It can be a non union plumbing business... The kinds of jobs that go overseas are typically manufacturing jobs that are too expensive, due to union wages, to stay domestic...from textile to electronics large manufacturers in order to stay competitive down the retail channel, go where labor is cheap. A company exists for one purpose-to make a profit. Look at the auto manufactoring industry for a union model that is over bloated and insipidly broken... You have to make doing business and growing business profitable in order to have the kinds of protectionism that you desire. It cannot just be a corporation giving up some profits...union workers need to give up some of the gravy-train demands to make it all work.
 
A small business can be a 2.5 million dollar non-union construction company. It can be a non union plumbing business... The kinds of jobs that go overseas are typically manufacturing jobs that are too expensive, due to union wages, to stay domestic...from textile to electronics large manufacturers in order to stay competitive down the retail channel, go where labor is cheap. A company exists for one purpose-to make a profit. Look at the auto manufactoring industry for a union model that is over bloated and insipidly broken... You have to make doing business and growing business profitable in order to have the kinds of protectionism that you desire. It cannot just be a corporation giving up some profits...union workers need to give up some of the gravy-train demands to make it all work.

and without unions our workers would be like third world workers

may you trip on your toe pick
 
There is a mentality that would like us to go back to the pre-union days, sixteen tons and what do you get, another day older and deeper in debt, tell me St. Peter, don't you call me because I can't go, I sold my soul to the company store!

Unions created the middle class in the USA and the Republican party and now most Democrats are trying to turn the clock back in time.
 
There is a mentality that would like us to go back to the pre-union days, sixteen tons and what do you get, another day older and deeper in debt, tell me St. Peter, don't you call me because I can't go, I sold my soul to the company store!

Unions created the middle class in the USA and the Republican party and now most Democrats are trying to turn the clock back in time.

Then there are idiots who attempt the dishonest tactic of imposing an "all or nothing" principle into a discussion because they are too stupid or intellectually dishonest to have a real discussion~
 
Right, because so many non-union workers live in huts...may your head re-inflate with more then just air~

good point...

while its true that some unions helped american workers overall...they are largely irrelevent now....what peopel often forget is how corrupt some unions are and how many unions were corrupt in the beginning as well

all one has to do is look how some unions treat non union workers....in the early years, you were threatened, often with violence, if yoiu did not join the union...now....the threat is - you don't join the union, you can't take the job
 
good point...

while its true that some unions helped american workers overall...they are largely irrelevent now....what peopel often forget is how corrupt some unions are and how many unions were corrupt in the beginning as well

all one has to do is look how some unions treat non union workers....in the early years, you were threatened, often with violence, if yoiu did not join the union...now....the threat is - you don't join the union, you can't take the job

Not just that yurt, but industry and the work place is SO regulated that companies have had to create HR departments that make certain every I is dotted and every T crossed with regards to company safety/sick pay/ overtime...etc- that the "protection" that unions once provided has likewise become irrelevent. Look what unions have done to compaines and now even to state economies---bankrupting them! Then how the fuck do they expect to earn a living??? It is pure chaotic craziness that sets up a situation, like unions do, one that is bound to failure. Here in WA teacher and law enforcement unions have forced the lay offs of hundreds of co-workers because they would not accept a 2 year cost of living freeze...and we have a governor who is dependent on guess what...yeah unions! She, the governor, actually has the power to fight these union interests...but will not do it because of her party loyalty.
 
Not just that yurt, but industry and the work place is SO regulated that companies have had to create HR departments that make certain every I is dotted and every T crossed with regards to company safety/sick pay/ overtime...etc- that the "protection" that unions once provided has likewise become irrelevent. Look what unions have done to compaines and now even to state economies---bankrupting them! Then how the fuck do they expect to earn a living??? It is pure chaotic craziness that sets up a situation, like unions do, one that is bound to failure. Here in WA teacher and law enforcement unions have forced the lay offs of hundreds of co-workers because they would not accept a 2 year cost of living freeze...and we have a governor who is dependent on guess what...yeah unions! She, the governor, actually has the power to fight these union interests...but will not do it because of her party loyalty.

wow...sounds like canada, unions hold a huge billy club over the government and private industry up there
 
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