This is why more cops should be killed

then your professional opinion is shit, because I haven't come across a story yet that has exonerated any individual who has threatened or actually shot at a cop that didn't get charged for attempted murder of a police officer.

you said NON police...now you're changing what you asked me

so you question is shit
 
Gee Whiz...we had a case here where a guy shot and killed a uniformed deputy several years back. It came to light that the deputy was dirty and instigated the contact and thus the guy who shot him was exonerated. un-uniformed kills uniform and gets off...because he is innocent. Great.

But this case is nothing like that. Have you looked at that pic of the actual nozzel Damo posted? There is no way any cop would be able to tell it wasn't a weapon. It's a bad deal that the guy was killed but I certainly cannot blame the police officers and I don't think you'll find but a handful of people who would....and their outlooks on society would be suspect, IMO.
 
actually, yes I do. for 6 years as a Marine Air Traffic controller, I didn't have a luxury of second guessing my decisions or relying on government protection from prosecution if my decisions were wrong. I had to live and die by the choices I made. so yes, indeed, I can absolutely hold police officers to the same damn standard that I had to be held to.
Silliness, if some dude pointed this thing at you from even 50 ft away you'd have shot the dude. The standards you hold them to are well beyond reasonable in this case. I put up the picture, it isn't reasonable to expect them to somehow magically know that thing wasn't a gun when he pointed it at them.
 
According to their testimony, the witness testimony, and the 911 call, everyone except the dead guy thought it was a gun and it was being pointed at them in a two-handed (probably a Weaver) stance.

If I run up to a cop car with a plastic pistol, holding it in two hands like its real, do you think they will just laugh?

I don't accept that the guy threatened them. Some guy sitting on a porch and playing around with a hose nozzle like it's a gun is something I can understand being mistaken, but the police do not get to shoot first and ask questions later. Their lives are no more important than an innocent person mocking a pistol with a garden implement.

The fucking police are trained to recognize guns. Lots of items look like guns. Toy guns look like guns.


The police we not even noticed by the guy! how could he have threatened them?

They are trigger happy and if they get the nod from assholes like you, they're going to get away with murder.
 
I don't accept that the guy threatened them. Some guy sitting on a porch and playing around with a hose nozzle like it's a gun is something I can understand being mistaken, but the police do not get to shoot first and ask questions later. Their lives are no more important than an innocent person mocking a pistol with a garden implement.

The fucking police are trained to recognize guns. Lots of items look like guns. Toy guns look like guns.


The police we not even noticed by the guy! how could he have threatened them?

They are trigger happy and if they get the nod from assholes like you, they're going to get away with murder.

Selective reading? The man pointed the "gun" at the cops. That is when they shot him.

This idea that police training somehow gives cops a magical ability to discern what is or is not a gun is pure bullshit. You want to claim they have no special priviledges, but at the same time you expect them to have special abilities.
 
I don't accept that the guy threatened them. Some guy sitting on a porch and playing around with a hose nozzle like it's a gun is something I can understand being mistaken, but the police do not get to shoot first and ask questions later. Their lives are no more important than an innocent person mocking a pistol with a garden implement.

The fucking police are trained to recognize guns. Lots of items look like guns. Toy guns look like guns.


The police we not even noticed by the guy! how could he have threatened them?
They are trigger happy and if they get the nod from assholes like you, they're going to get away with murder.

according to eye witnesses, he pointed the nozzle right at them with a two handed outstretched sitting stance

where are you getting your facts from?
 
http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/12/14/long-beach-shooting/

Long Beach’s police chief has admitted that his officers never identified themselves before they shot and killed a man Sunday. The victim was sitting on a friend’s front porch.

The police chief said two officers opened fire on 35-year-old Douglas Zerby after they thought he pointed a gun at them. Zerby had been holding a water nozzle with a pistol grip.

Chief Jim McDonnell said police showed up at a Belmont Shore apartment after neighbors reported that a man with a gun was sitting on a front porch. It was about 5 o’clock Sunday afternoon.

Before backup arrived, the chief said, Zerby used a two-handed grip on the water nozzle and fully extended his arms toward one of the officers. It’s unclear whether he knew the officer was there.

McDonnell didn’t say why officers failed to identify themselves and tell him to drop the object. He said Zerby appeared to be intoxicated.
 
http://www.dailybreeze.com/latestnews/ci_16849588


"McDonnell said officers were called to the 5300 block of East Ocean Boulevard at about 4:40 p.m. after two residents in a nearby unit saw what they believed to be a man with a gun sitting on their neighbor's second-story porch.

"The person who called said a subject with a gun who was unknown to him was on a stairway landing to the rear of the location," the chief said, adding that portions of the recording not played Monday included the caller's name.

In the portion of the call played for reporters the caller told a dispatcher that a man with a gun was sitting on his neighbor's second-story landing and swaying back and forth. "It looks like a little tiny six-shooter," the caller said, describing what he thought was a gun."





"The chief said he did not yet know how far the officers were from Zerby, but if the neighbors who told Zerby's family were correct and the officers were 30 to 40 feet away their Taser would not have been effective from that distance. "





So cops are expected to be able to identify a small item that is mostly covered by the persons hands, at a distance of 30 to 40 feet?

This was a justified shooting.
 
for the morons out thier who don't value life, a cop needs more than he thinks the guy has a gun from far away. No shots fired, etc. Jail these gun nuts wearing a badge for murder.
 
for the morons out thier who don't value life, a cop needs more than he thinks the guy has a gun from far away. No shots fired, etc. Jail these gun nuts wearing a badge for murder.

So unless shots are fired the cops should assume its not a gun?
 
Yes cops should not shoot at people holding objects shaped like a gun.
They should never shoot when NO CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED. DUH!!!
 
Yes cops should not shoot at people holding objects shaped like a gun.
They should never shoot when NO CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED. DUH!!!

So they should wait until the suspect fires at them?

You realize that, at 30 to 40 feet, that will get a cop killed pretty freakin often?
 
Yes cops should not shoot at people holding objects shaped like a gun.
They should never shoot when NO CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED. DUH!!!

And IF it was a gun as the people who called 911 suggested and his first shots were into an apartment that killed other innocent people... what would your comments about the cops be in that case?

If he had a gun, as reported, then other people were in danger. The cops are there to PROTECT and serve.
 
[sarcasm]Don't you get it Winter? Just because someone, an intoxicated and/or impaired someone at that....someone whom the neighbors were concerned enough about to call the law, ... just because he points what really looks to be a gun at you, you should wait for a shot before you react. You should chance your well being as well as the well being of those who might be in the area. After all, you're a cop. You don't have the right or the need to protect yourself. You just don't get it, do you?[/sarcasm]
 
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