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Schools arrange secret abortions

Schools are helping teenage girls keep abortions secret from their parents. Imogen Neale reports.

A MOTHER is angry her 16-year-old daughter had a secret abortion arranged by a school counsellor.

Helen, not her real name, found out about the termination four days after it had happened. "I was horrified. Horrified that she'd had to go through that on her own, and horrified her friends and counsellors had felt that she shouldn't talk to us," she said.

She had suspected something was wrong, but her daughter insisted her tears were over everyday teenage dramas.

But Helen confronted her daughter's friends, who said the counsellor had taken the girl for a scan and to doctors. "I didn't know that they could do that."

Helen said teachers could discuss how a student was doing in school or phone parents when their child misbehaved, but would then keep life-changing situations such as abortions secret.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/5005398/Schools-arrange-secret-abortions

if true, does anyone support this? i don't think this is legal in the US
 
This teacher should, be fired, and arrested for child endangerment and sued by the parents.....
 
Yurt said:
Schools arrange secret abortions

Schools are helping teenage girls keep abortions secret from their parents. Imogen Neale reports.

A MOTHER is angry her 16-year-old daughter had a secret abortion arranged by a school counsellor.

Helen, not her real name, found out about the termination four days after it had happened. "I was horrified. Horrified that she'd had to go through that on her own, and horrified her friends and counsellors had felt that she shouldn't talk to us," she said.

She had suspected something was wrong, but her daughter insisted her tears were over everyday teenage dramas.

But Helen confronted her daughter's friends, who said the counsellor had taken the girl for a scan and to doctors. "I didn't know that they could do that."

Helen said teachers could discuss how a student was doing in school or phone parents when their child misbehaved, but would then keep life-changing situations such as abortions secret.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/5005398/Schools-arrange-secret-abortions

if true, does anyone support this? i don't think this is legal in the US
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Hey Yurt, maybe someone at the Newspaper can answer your questions. Or maybe a local college offers a course in laws and statutes...in NEW ZEALAND...

The Sunday Star-Times is a New Zealand newspaper published each weekend by the Fairfax group in Auckland.

Letters should include the writer's full name, address and telephone number. They should be no longer than 200 words and may be edited for length. Please do not submit letters that have been submitted to any other publication. Send postal letters to PO Box 1327, Auckland 1140.
 
I'm not sure how true it is to say that New Zealand schools 'arrange abortions' as much as arrange a doctor's appointment.

I don't know exactly how the New Zealand system works but i would have thought it was similar to the way it works here, where there is a right of confidentiality for those under 16 speaking to a 'councillor'. A Judicial Review, a few years back, upheld the right to confidentiality on the grounds that removing it would potentially lead to delays in young girls coming forward, later abortions and an increase in DIY abortions and self-harm. However, it's usually the doctor who sort of arranges the abortion bit, after a bit of a chat and that, to see whether the girl fulfils the guidelines for obtaining an abortion without parental consent.

Personally, i don't have a problem with it. Then again i suppose i may feel differently if i had a daughter, who knows?
 
Bfgrn said:
Hey Yurt, maybe someone at the Newspaper can answer your questions. Or maybe a local college offers a course in laws and statutes...in NEW ZEALAND...

The Sunday Star-Times is a New Zealand newspaper published each weekend by the Fairfax group in Auckland.

Letters should include the writer's full name, address and telephone number. They should be no longer than 200 words and may be edited for length. Please do not submit letters that have been submitted to any other publication. Send postal letters to PO Box 1327, Auckland 1140.
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lulz
 
charver said:
I'm not sure how true it is to say that New Zealand schools 'arrange abortions' as much as arrange a doctor's appointment.

I don't know exactly how the New Zealand system works but i would have thought it was similar to the way it works here, where there is a right of confidentiality for those under 16 speaking to a 'councillor'. A Judicial Review, a few years back, upheld the right to confidentiality on the grounds that removing it would potentially lead to delays in young girls coming forward, later abortions and an increase in DIY abortions and self-harm. However, it's usually the doctor who sort of arranges the abortion bit, after a bit of a chat and that, to see whether the girl fulfils the guidelines for obtaining an abortion without parental consent.

Personally, i don't have a problem with it. Then again i suppose i may feel differently if i had a daughter, who knows?
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Privacy In Schools: A guide to the Privacy Act for principals, teachers and boards of trustees, said students who saw counsellors were promised confidentiality, and the service was bound by the Health Privacy Code.

"When it comes to contraception and abortion, they [counsellors] would need the consent of the person before they could share information with a parent or the school," she said.

"If that protection disappeared, you can pretty well guarantee the young person won't tell the counsellor a thing – particularly the thing you need them to talk about."

And a counsellor who broke the rules and told a parent without the child's consent could be struck off.

THE NUMBERS, AND THE LAW

Statistics New Zealand figures show that 3950 11- to 19-year-olds had induced abortions in 2009. Of those, 79 were aged between 11 and 14. Under section 38 of the Care of Children Act 2004, a female of any age can consent to an abortion. In 2004, then opposition MP Judith Collins put forward an amendment to prevent girls under 16 from having an abortion without their parents' knowledge. The amendment was voted down. Parents are legally responsible for their offspring until the children turn 18 or marry, enter into a civil union, or a de facto relationship with their parents' permission.

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Bfgrn said:
Hey Yurt, maybe someone at the Newspaper can answer your questions. Or maybe a local college offers a course in laws and statutes...in NEW ZEALAND...

The Sunday Star-Times is a New Zealand newspaper published each weekend by the Fairfax group in Auckland.

Letters should include the writer's full name, address and telephone number. They should be no longer than 200 words and may be edited for length. Please do not submit letters that have been submitted to any other publication. Send postal letters to PO Box 1327, Auckland 1140.
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thanks for stating the obvious....do you support it or not? i fail to see the location as a reason you can't address the topic. and as i said, i don't believe it is legal HERE.
 
Yurt said:
thanks for stating the obvious....do you support it or not? i fail to see the location as a reason you can't address the topic. and as i said, i don't believe it is legal HERE.
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Anger at Tonga's turtle feast

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Saving Tonga's endangered turtles can be tough, writes Michael Field.

A SEATURTLE feast for Tonga's Methodist ministers has sparked a clash with a Kiwi woman, who has made a life's work out of saving the endangered reptiles.

Jo Kupu, known in Tonga as the "turtle lady", said something good might actually come out of the incident, which saw 10 turtles eaten.

Originally from Mt Cook Village, Kupu has rescued around 600 turtles in the last decade, buying them at the Nuku'alofa market and releasing them.
 
charver said:
I'm not sure how true it is to say that New Zealand schools 'arrange abortions' as much as arrange a doctor's appointment.

I don't know exactly how the New Zealand system works but i would have thought it was similar to the way it works here, where there is a right of confidentiality for those under 16 speaking to a 'councillor'. A Judicial Review, a few years back, upheld the right to confidentiality on the grounds that removing it would potentially lead to delays in young girls coming forward, later abortions and an increase in DIY abortions and self-harm. However, it's usually the doctor who sort of arranges the abortion bit, after a bit of a chat and that, to see whether the girl fulfils the guidelines for obtaining an abortion without parental consent.

Personally, i don't have a problem with it. Then again i suppose i may feel differently if i had a daughter, who knows?
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interesting....according to wiki some states allow that here

In the United States, most states typically require one of two types of parental involvement– consent and/or notification, New Hampshire's abortion law allows a minor to get an abortion with NO parental consent or notification. 35 states required some type of parental involvement in a minor's decision to have an abortion– 22 states require one or both parents to consent to the procedure, 11 require one or both parents be notified and 2 require both consent and notification before an elective abortion can occur.[3
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not sure how i feel about that because ultimately the child is the minor's responsibility and i can't see allowing a parent to force a child to have a baby they don't want. it is an interesting topic.
 
Bfgrn said:
Anger at Tonga's turtle feast

5005199.jpg
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Saving Tonga's endangered turtles can be tough, writes Michael Field.

A SEATURTLE feast for Tonga's Methodist ministers has sparked a clash with a Kiwi woman, who has made a life's work out of saving the endangered reptiles.

Jo Kupu, known in Tonga as the "turtle lady", said something good might actually come out of the incident, which saw 10 turtles eaten.

Originally from Mt Cook Village, Kupu has rescued around 600 turtles in the last decade, buying them at the Nuku'alofa market and releasing them.
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do you care to address the topic or continue making a fool out of yourself? the link has NZ right in it, i read the article and it mentioned NZ. and then i mention separately the US. but you would rather focus on your faux gotcha than actually discuss issues.
 
Yurt said:
do you care to address the topic or continue making a fool out of yourself? the link has NZ right in it, i read the article and it mentioned NZ. and then i mention separately the US. but you would rather focus on your faux gotcha than actually discuss issues.
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I will let you know if I ever decide to move to NEW ZEALAND...
 
Bfgrn said:
I will let you know if I ever decide to move to NEW ZEALAND...
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it also can happen here. your avoidance and stupidity about pointing out the obvious shows you have little intelligence. but now i know you will only discuss something if it happened on american soil. you therefore should have nothing to say about anything that isn't american.
 
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Yurt: :yurt:​
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#13 identical post

nope, you're not legion, not like legion at all :rolleyes:

obsessed troll....care to discuss the topic? if you're just going to keep posting the same smilie ad nauseum you're only proving everyone's case that you're a troll, well, besides your twin dune
 
Yurt said:
it also can happen here. your avoidance and stupidity about pointing out the obvious shows you have little intelligence. but now i know you will only discuss something if it happened on american soil. you therefore should have nothing to say about anything that isn't american.
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I guess turtle feasts could happen here too Yurt. So let's talk about that...
 
Bfgrn said:
I guess turtle feasts could happen here too Yurt. So let's talk about that...
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amazing....and shows what a complete fool you are. i've seen you talk about things that happen overseas, yet here, because you realized how stupid you were for pointing out the obvious, you've decided to dig your heels in and not participate and instead stomp your feet and pout like a petulant child who make a public mistake.

for all i know, it HAS happened here. but i now i understand you will never discuss issues unless it happened here. i'm sure it won't be long to show your dishonesty on that claim.
 
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