Look douchebag, since the difference between dune and dung is only one letter, and I am relatively new here, I don't think this particular bit of confusion qualifys as idiocy.
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Look douchebag, since the difference between dune and dung is only one letter, and I am relatively new here, I don't think this particular bit of confusion qualifys as idiocy.
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yes it does...because all you had to do was look at who i asked the question to. all you had to do, in order to not look like a moron, was click the post link and see who i asked the question to......
did you just discover the internet after your mom told you it exists?
No asswipe, if you look earlier in the thread, you will see where superfreak asked a question adressed to dung and I answered it. Do you really think my confusion is unreasonable, not that I give a fuck, I am just curious if you really are that much of a douche.
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The Almighty
Yes, I realize it can work both ways, which is what makes your chart irrelevant without the data to show what happened. It is just ONE of the flaws in your using it to support your argument.
I can't help but notice you failed to address the point made that your chart shows the trend started 16 YEARS before Reagan took office?
As I couldn't help but notice you ignored the other four links I posted, just like Post Traumatic Profit.
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Given that I was addressing the Chart itself, if you have links and don't mind, please either repost or tell me which post number you put them in. I would be happy to look at them... just didn't see them in the chart post....
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sorry, found it on one of the earlier pages....
To address the above.... again... none of them show the data I mentioned you needed in order to state WHY the manufacturing numbers decreased.
The only one that had anything relevant was the one with the chart which again did not show it. It also goes back to the points I made earlier that you failed to address.
1) Most industrialized nations saw a similar shift
2) The shift began 16 YEARS before Reagan took office so saying it was due to Reagan is incredibly dishonest.
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good lord...mr. sensitive is all hyper about the word dung...if SF addressed a post to dung, he wasn't talking to you....just because you chose to answer a post to dungheap proves nothing
you really need to calm down and stop being so hyper-sensitive
Over the past year, our Task Force on Private Sector Initiatives has successfully forged a working partnership involving leaders of business, labor, education, and government to address the training needs of American workers. Thanks to the Task Force, private sector initiatives are now underway in all 50 States of the Union, and thousands of working people have been helped in making the shift from dead-end jobs and low-demand skills to the growth areas of high technology and the service economy. Additionally, a major effort will be focused on encouraging the expansion of private community child care. The new advisory council on private sector initiatives will carry on and extend this vital work of encouraging private initiative in 1983.
Read more: State of the Union Address: Ronald Reagan (January 25, 1983) — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/state-of-the-union/196.html#ixzz1MqMcCkTZ
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ok.... and WHAT does this tell us?
It tells us Reagan saw what was happening over the prior 16 YEARS and developed a task force to help transition people into areas of the economy that were growing. So again, NOTHING in what you have stated has shown that Reagan is where the shift started.
Secondly, NONE of what you have shown shows the data on WHY manufacturing was decreasing in percentage of the work force. So again.... what was the cause? Was it do to the high growth in the service sector? A decline in the number of jobs in manufacturing? Of the number of jobs in manufacturing that were lost, how many were due to increasing productivity which was a result of better technology and automation vs. jobs transitioning to other parts of the world?
Without the DATA, your case is without merit.
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Ok... tell me... what initiatives should a President take to dictate to the American companies the types of jobs they create? Should he tell the tech companies.... 'stop creating service jobs we only want manufacturing... oh and stop improving automation as that is taking away manufacturing jobs'? Should he tell the manufacturing jobs 'hey, I know you aren't profitable and are getting your ass kicked by the Japanese (etc...) but please keep producing anyway'? Should the President tell those employees in manufacturing 'you need to make less per hour in order for the end product to be more competitive, therefore I want you to work for the wages that a similar worker overseas might get'? Or should the President tell those losing their jobs... 'hey, I know you just lost your job, I am going to create a program to help you transition into new areas of the economy that will have longer lasting jobs'?
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The Almighty
Side note: The US is STILL THE PREEMINENT manufacturing country in the world. Just because manufacturing has declined as a PERCENTAGE of our GDP doesn't mean we aren't still number one.
Well, (and this itself is quite controvercial I understand) one thing he did was to put a tarrif on japanese motorcycles. It started at 45% the first year and dropped by 5% per year, till it was gone.
The effect of this was to raise the cost of jap bikes to aproximately the same level as domestic ones, with the result being that for the first time, many riders, new and old were faced with a choice not dictated by price. So many of those riders chose Harley Davidsons instead of japanese models that the company emerged from bankruptcy proceedings, bought all their stock back and have been profitable ever since. I know, since they are one of my clients.
He also created a ton of good paying manufacturing jobs by strengthening defence spending.
I don't have all the answers, but I beleive that a service oriented economy and a dumbed down populace serve the neocon desires.
The effect of this was to raise the cost of jap bikes to aproximately the same level as domestic ones, with the result being that for the first time, many riders, new and old were faced with a choice not dictated by price. So many of those riders chose Harley Davidsons instead of japanese models that the company emerged from bankruptcy proceedings, bought all their stock back and have been profitable ever since. I know, since they are one of my clients.
He also created a ton of good paying manufacturing jobs by strengthening defence spending.
I don't have all the answers, but I beleive that a service oriented economy and a dumbed down populace serve the neocon desires.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
uh....no......why would I when I'm not wrong?......
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
ROFL.......I don't even have to say it and everyone will know what I'm thinking.....
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
oh come on, you know you want to peek.....
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translation:
i'm a pussy who always pulls the 'you're on ignore' when i start losing debates
you must really be hurting now that your boyfriend legion is not posting
Yurt, you couldn't translate Dr Seuz properly.