Define a 'Liberal' or a 'Conservative'

One has to prove an assertion, which is what you need to do in order to establish truth.


You made the assertion that the state has a vested interest in traditional marriage. But offer nothing in the way of reasons why gay marriage would not provide the exact same benefits to the state.

Prove your assertion...
 
You made the assertion that the state has a vested interest in traditional marriage. But offer nothing in the way of reasons why gay marriage would not provide the exact same benefits to the state.

Prove your assertion...

Its up to your side to prove that a change to the status quo is beneficial, not my side to prove that is isn't. :D
 
1. I don't have to. I have shown that traditional marriage makes society stronger.
2. All caps is the text equivalent of yelling. If you want to emphasize you point, you should italicize it. If you want to emphasize a point in someone else's quote, you should bold it. Don't use the excuse that you are lazy when the fact is that you either don't know English style or are yelling and having a hissy fit.
3. Again the yelling, and again the baseless allegations. The NC State legislature just voted by super-majorities to ban same sex marriage. Are they all bigots and homophobes as well? How about the majority of Californians in 2010? Face it, Freak, you're losing this debate so are trying to use ad-homs to quash it.
4. Again, I have never brought up religion in this thread. You have, along with more baseless allegations and assumptions. :)


1...You haven't shown anyone any evidence whatsoever proving that traditional marriage makes society stronger...if you've got proof...link to it.

2...Way to dodge answering the question...quit making excuses and stick to the topic.

3...Again with the topic changing so you can avoid answering the questions put to you...

4...Again...how does traditional marriage make society stronger?
 
...Way to dodge answering the question...quit making excuses and stick to the topic....
No dodging here. That's the issue that Freak and I were discussing.

With regards to my evidence, look up what I've already stated in this forum. You've come into the tail end of a debate, so don't expect me to rehash it all just for you, Zippy.
 
I wonder if we made it standard to change the "originally posted by" portion of quotes when you are doing a "translation" if it might be mo' betta...

Maybe change it to "Translation of post by" rather than "originally posted by"...

Best idea you've had in months...
 
No dodging here. That's the issue that Freak and I were discussing.

With regards to my evidence, look up what I've already stated in this forum. You've come into the tail end of a debate, so don't expect me to rehash it all just for you, Zippy.

In other words you can't prove anything...I've read the entire thread and the reason people are still asking you to show is HOW traditional marriage benefits a society is because after all these pages, you still have yet to do so.
 
In other words you can't prove anything...I've read the entire thread and the reason people are still asking you to show is HOW traditional marriage benefits a society is because after all these pages, you still have yet to do so.
You must be lying that you read the entire thread, or your reading comprehension is shitty, because I addressed that in post 52.
 
1. No it doesn't You choose to be deviant; I choose to be normal.
2. Your insult merely shows that you are desperate in this debate. Prediction: Next, like an ostrich you'll pretend te threat to your beliefs doesn't exist and put me on ignore. :)

Normal? Wife beating, and pedophilia (although heterosexually) is normal????
Your concept of "normal" is off. What is normal for you, would not be normal for the next guy. Normal is subjective, moron.
 
Social deviancy is defined by SOCIETY. It is what SOCIETY accepts as normal. It is ever changing based on the ever changing views of society. What used to be considered 'deviant' may not be considered as such today. For many social 'deviancies' were defined as such due to FEAR and BIGOTRY. Inter-racial marriages were once considered 'deviant'. Many sexual positions between STRAIGHT couples were considered 'deviant'. Two actors sharing the same bed on TV was once considered 'deviant'.

In almost all of these cases the 'deviancy' was defined by those who wished to force THEIR religious views upon others.

Homosexuality is now accepted by the vast majority of the population as NORMAL and NATURAL behavior.

Only closed minded bigots still cling to their hatred.

Inter racial marriage was never medically deemed a sexual deviance-that is absolutely untrue. Saying someone clings to hatred because they disagree that homosexuality should be legislated as mainstream, is infantile in the extreme. The fact remains that so little has been done in real research due to the PC activism surround homosexuality, that those who struggle are left in the dark. Yes, there actually are a large number of people who want help in with what they consider a disorder. Nearly 40 years of research has been lost. Sexual deviancy is any sexual act that breaks from the norm- removing it from text books does not make it normal. Nothing will make it normal- calling it normal does not a norm make. I understand that laws seeking to outlaw homosexuality is wrong- but so are laws that seek to make it normal....it just will never be normal...accepted is not equal to normal.

The facts on how the change to medical books came about-


What Really Happened?

Numerous psychiatrists over the past decades have described what forces were really at work both inside and outside of the American Psychiatric Association-and what led to the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

Dr. Ronald Bayer explains how homosexual activists captured the APA for political gain.

Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981)

In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."

Homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. They threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.

Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and Healthy."

Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality. The effort to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM was the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, not scientific discoveries.

Prior to the APA's 1973 convention, several psychiatrists attempted to organize opposition to the efforts of homosexuals to remove homosexual behavior from the DSM. Organizing this effort were Drs. Irving Bieber and Charles Socarides who formed the Ad Hoc Committee Against the Deletion of Homosexuality from DSM-II.

The DSM-II listed homosexuality as an abnormal behavior under section "302. Sexual Deviations." It was the first deviation listed.

After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents of this effort were given 15 minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, in Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA membership. The National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.

According to Satinover, "How much the 1973 APA decision was motivated by politics is only becoming clear even now. While attending a conference in England in 1994, I met a man who told me an account that he had told no one else. He had been in the gay life for years but had left the lifestyle. He recounted how after the 1973 APA decision, he and his lover, along with a certain very highly placed officer of the APA Board of Trustees and his lover, all sat around the officer's apartment celebrating their victory. For among the gay activists placed high in the APA who maneuvered to ensure a victory was this man-suborning from the top what was presented to both the membership and the public as a disinterested search for truth."


302 Sexual deviations
.0 Homosexuality
.1 Fetishism
.2 Pedophilia
.3 Transvestitism
.4 Exhibitionism
.5* Voyeurism*
.6* Sadism*
.7* Masochism*
.8 Other sexual deviation
[.9 Unspecified sexual deviation]
 
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