Andrew Sullivan article

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This should make some wingnuts heads explode.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...ma-s-long-game-will-outsmart-his-critics.html

A caveat: I write this as an unabashed supporter of Obama from early 2007 on. I did so not as a liberal, but as a conservative-minded independent appalled by the Bush administration’s record of war, debt, spending, and torture.

Hmm... I wonder if he is appalled by Obama's record of war, debt and spending?

 

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Again, you simply don't know what you're talking about and have blinders on. Unemployment has steadily gone down since Obama took over the Bush recession. Jobs have steadily grown since Obama has been in office, the economy has steadily grown since Obama has been in office. The objective facts are irrefutable. Are we completely out of the fucking hole Bush put us in? Hell no. Do we have a long way to go? Hell yes. Are we far better off now then under Bush, by any objective measure we most certainly are.

Thank you. You know the conservatives are so sanctimoniously partisan, that they would never admit to any of Obama's successes.

 

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Not only did he agree not to sunset the Bush tax cuts for his entire first term, he has aggressively lowered taxes on most Americans. A third of the stimulus was tax cuts, affecting 95 percent of taxpayers; he has cut the payroll tax, and recently had to fight to keep it cut against Republican opposition. His spending record is also far better than his predecessor’s.

LMAO.... stealing from the Social security funding... yeah... that is probably the single dumbest way to cut taxes. I would love to see where else Obama has 'aggressively lowered taxes'.

 

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His spending record is also far better than his predecessor’s. Under Bush, new policies on taxes and spending cost the taxpayer a total of $5.07 trillion. Under Obama’s budgets both past and projected, he will have added $1.4 trillion in two terms.

Seriously? Obama is already beyond $4 Trillion and all projections ADD another 4-5 Trillion in the next four years if current policies remain.

I think Sullivan got his hands on some pretty good MJ

 

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LMAO.... stealing from the Social security funding... yeah... that is probably the single dumbest way to cut taxes. I would love to see where else Obama has 'aggressively lowered taxes'.

Shorter SF: Aside from all the tax cuts you mention, which total several hundred billions of dollars, I'd love to see where he lowered taxes.


And, by the way, SF, the payroll tax cuts don't "steal" from Social Security funding. I guess you only like tax cuts when a Republican is president.

 

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The great conservative bugaboo, Obamacare, is also far more moderate than its critics have claimed. The Congressional Budget Office has projected it will reduce the deficit, not increase it dramatically, as Bush’s unfunded Medicare Prescription Drug benefit did.

ROFLMAO... obviously Sullivan is not keeping up with the info. Obamacare's will ADD to the deficit, not reduce it. The smoke and mirrors Obama and the Dems tried to toss at the public is clearing. We see it now for what it is. Yet another unfunded government monstrosity.

 

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Instead, Obama reversed Bush’s policy of ignoring Osama bin Laden, immediately setting a course that eventually led to his capture and death. And when the moment for decision came, the president overruled both his secretary of state and vice president in ordering the riskiest—but most ambitious—plan on the table. He even personally ordered the extra helicopters that saved the mission.

ROFLMAO... wow. I wish he would elaborate on his source information. I would love to see where it was that Obama is the one that ordered the extra helicopters. I would also point out that Obama was caught using policies already in place when Obama took office.

 

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ROFLMAO... obviously Sullivan is not keeping up with the info. Obamacare's will ADD to the deficit, not reduce it. The smoke and mirrors Obama and the Dems tried to toss at the public is clearing. We see it now for what it is. Yet another unfunded government monstrosity.

I can link to the CBO report if you like and will do so if you post the "new info" that shows that the Affordable Care Act will add to the deficit.

 

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ROFLMAO... obviously Sullivan is not keeping up with the info. Obamacare's will ADD to the deficit, not reduce it. The smoke and mirrors Obama and the Dems tried to toss at the public is clearing. We see it now for what it is. Yet another unfunded government monstrosity.

Right? And how will it do that? It couldn't have passed if there weren't provisions made to pay for it. I don't get you people. Universal healthcare as opposed to healthcare for only those that can afford it..and drug companies, insurance companies and providers making hand over foot profits, at the expense of people's lives. How is that even American, let alone, Christian, or even humane?

 

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Amazing how Sullivan talks of the Reps being 'lunatics' to suggest Obama is horrid at foreign policy and his only defense of that statement is that Obama got Osama. Let's just ignore what is happening in Iran, Egypt, Palestine, Israel.... Lets just ignore his pissing off long time allies like Britain. Seriously, Sullivan found some primo ganja

 

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ROFLMAO... wow. I wish he would elaborate on his source information. I would love to see where it was that Obama is the one that ordered the extra helicopters. I would also point out that Obama was caught using policies already in place when Obama took office.

Of course Obama made the ultimate decision. He's the commander in chief. Do you have some information he didn't? And I would also point out that Bush policy was not to pursue bin Laden in Pakistan without the consent of Pakistan.


Edit: I may be misremembering. I think it was McCain who said that he wouldn't pursue bin Laden in Pakistan and that Bush policy was to go after him.

 

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I can link to the CBO report if you like and will do so if you post the "new info" that shows that the Affordable Care Act will add to the deficit.

Tell us what Kathleen Sebelius admitted about the CLASS ACT portion of Obamacare.... then go look at what CLASS was supposed to detract from the deficit.

I have seen the CBO report. I know that with 5 years of expenses and 10 of revenues, the Dems tried to make it look economically viable. But it is not. Anyone that has a base level of economic knowledge can see that. Over half of the supposed reduction in the deficit came from CLASS. The rest comes from supposed taxes on premium plans... which we now see the Obama admin handing out exemptions hand over fist, because the unions are pissed. You can believe the fantasy projections if you wish. But we all know the Dems are not going to hit the unions. Their exemption frenzy is proof of that. Add in the continuation of the doc fix for Medicare and the picture is quite clear. The Dems simply SAYING they will do something in the FUTURE is one thing... but when push comes to shove, we have over a decade of doc fixes to show they won't.

 

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Of course Obama made the ultimate decision. He's the commander in chief. Do you have some information he didn't? And I would also point out that Bush policy was not to pursue bin Laden in Pakistan without the consent of Pakistan.


Edit: I may be misremembering. I think it was McCain who said that he wouldn't pursue bin Laden in Pakistan and that Bush policy was to go after him.

Of course Obama made the go/no go call. But to think he told the military to add helicopters to the mission is what I question. I would like to see evidence that Obama made that call.

 

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Thank you. You know the conservatives are so sanctimoniously partisan, that they would never admit to any of Obama's successes.

Dont' get me wrong. There's plenty to be critical about in Regards to Obama. Obama has had some very significant successes and by any objective measure he's light years superior to Bush but that aint exactly setting the bar very high.

 

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I can link to the CBO report if you like and will do so if you post the "new info" that shows that the Affordable Care Act will add to the deficit.

How can it do that when it will require about 40 million freeloaders to purchase insurance? I mean that and the very fact that the affordable health care act will make preventative and maintenance care available to ordinary people will dramatically cut the cost taxpayers are currently bearing for emergency care for those who can't afford to pay. SF Doesn't know what he's talking about. Just another reactionary that's afraid of progress. I don't understand it Dung. Why are those on the right such chicken shits and why are they so easily scared by what is obvious to anyone with the wit to rub two sticks together by propaganda from self serving sources?

 

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Tell us what Kathleen Sebelius admitted about the CLASS ACT portion of Obamacare.... then go look at what CLASS was supposed to detract from the deficit.

Yes, and? I'm still not seeing an increase in the deficit. Still looks like defi

I have seen the CBO report. I know that with 5 years of expenses and 10 of revenues, the Dems tried to make it look economically viable.

I'll just stop you right there. You'd maybe have a point if the CBO didn't do a longer term analysis, but it did. Apparently, you didn't read the report. Deficit reduction increases over the long term.

Also, $83 billion is not "more than half" of $210 billion.

 

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How can it do that when it will require about 40 million freeloaders to purchase insurance? I mean that and the very fact that the affordable health care act will make preventative and maintenance care available to ordinary people will dramatically cut the cost taxpayers are currently bearing for emergency care for those who can't afford to pay. SF Doesn't know what he's talking about. Just another reactionary that's afraid of progress. I don't understand it Dung. Why are those on the right such chicken shits and why are they so easily scared by what is obvious to anyone with the wit to rub two sticks together by propaganda from self serving sources?

it does that by providing for federal funding of insurance for approximately 15 million people.....they claimed to pay for this by reducing Medicare disbursements by $500 billion....then they turned around and replaced the $500 billion with a different bill.......was spending reduced by $500 billion?......

 

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Of course Obama made the ultimate decision. He's the commander in chief. Do you have some information he didn't? And I would also point out that Bush policy was not to pursue bin Laden in Pakistan without the consent of Pakistan.


Edit: I may be misremembering. I think it was McCain who said that he wouldn't pursue bin Laden in Pakistan and that Bush policy was to go after him.

it was mccain, clinton in the campaign who slammed obama....bush said he would not send in thousands of troops without pakistan's approval.

 

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it was mccain, clinton in the campaign who slammed obama....bush said he would not send in thousands of troops without pakistan's approval.

The Clinton/McCain part sounds right, but the Bush part sounds like bullshit.

 

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The Clinton/McCain part sounds right, but the Bush part sounds like bullshit.

BUSH: We are, Richard. Thank you. Thanks for asking the question. They were asking me about somebody's report, well, Special Forces here -- Pakistan -- if he is in Pakistan, as this person thought he might be, who is asking the question -- Pakistan is a sovereign nation. In order for us to send thousands of troops into a sovereign nation, we've got to be invited by the government of Pakistan.

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