If Mittens can win mod/ind vote..why isn't he?

Fuckwitts said:
Because, stupid, the "moderate indie voter" includes lots of democrats that are voting strategically against mitt romney because they know what a total failure santorum will be in the general. Romney being able to court independent voters isn't some pie in the sky assertion, it's on record, it's already happened. He won massachusetts in 2002. He just needs to get out of the mouth breather portion of the race before he can go back to being normal.

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Really? Because my idea of a "moderate indie voter" wouldn't include someone so obsessed as to do such a thing. If you are voting for Santorum so Obama has a weaker opponent in the fall, that seems more like something a partisan liberal might do. But you say these are the "moderate indies" that Mittens can appeal to in the fall? hmmm. Again, I posit the question.. why can't Romney appeal to them now?
 
Dixie said:
Really? Because my idea of a "moderate indie voter" wouldn't include someone so obsessed as to do such a thing. If you are voting for Santorum so Obama has a weaker opponent in the fall, that seems more like something a partisan liberal might do. But you say these are the "moderate indies" that Mittens can appeal to in the fall? hmmm. Again, I posit the question.. why can't Romney appeal to them now?
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I was saying that what you were classifying as "moderate indies" in your op, were anything but. There was a concentrated effort by santorum to get democrats to vote for him. Everyone knows santorum would fall flat on his face during the general, democrats wanted desperately for santorum to win.
 
We_Todd_Did said:
I was saying that what you were classifying as "moderate indies" in your op, were anything but. There was a concentrated effort by santorum to get democrats to vote for him. Everyone knows santorum would fall flat on his face during the general, democrats wanted desperately for santorum to win.
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Correction: There was a concentrated effort by Santorum to get VOTERS to vote for him, I am sure he did not care whether they were Democrats. Again I pose the question, why couldn't Romney get the real indie/mods to counter this? Bottom line, Santorum actually made an appeal to the opposition for support and they responded... now, you can claim that it is because they wanted Santorum vs. Obama in the general, but supposedly it isn't going to matter, right? Obama has either one beat, according to Liberals, so why would a liberal be motivated to go to the trouble? Michigan is not exactly where you'd expect a social conservative mouth-breather to run a strong second to Romney, the prodigal son... but that looks to be exactly what happened. I think the script for Santorum isn't playing out like the establishment thought it would.
 
WinterBorn said:
I am more curious why people are not outraged at the media's attempt to undercut and deny Ron Paul's campaign. Did any of the media report the march in DC for Ron Paul? Anyone care to guess how many veterans were there? I didn't see it carried by any news organization.
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I like RP, though I disagree with many of his positions--he's upfront with his positions and doesn't waiver.

However, the media is all about ratings. And, although RP does have a following, their numbers aren't big enough to make MSM program around him and his campaign. Newt Gingrich wants to go to the moon, and Santorum is vomiting after reading a JFK speech... these guys are train wrecks. They're a circus freak show. You can't take your eyes off them because you don't want to miss one bit of craziness. And MSM is all about ratings. RP is interesting and sometimes provocative, but not really the dynamic kind of crazy that was Sarah Palin.

I hope RP continues to do what he does. His courage and conviction is refreshing, despite some of the unrealistic policies.
 
Dixie said:
Correction: There was a concentrated effort by Santorum to get DEMOCRAT VOTERS, to vote for him, I am sure he did not care whether they were Democrats, given that he explicitly targeted them, as did the Democratic party in Michigan. Again I pose the question, Why am I so stupid? And where is my evidence that Romney did not get independents? No matter, I'll just make shit up. Bottom line, Santorum actually made an appeal to the opposition for support and they responded...because they realize how awful a candidate against birth control will be in the general. Now, you can claim that it is because they wanted Santorum vs. Obama in the general, but supposedly it isn't going to matter, right? Pay no attention to my last question, it makes very little sense, comes out of no where, and assumes statements that have not been espoused anywhere. Obama has either one beat, according to Liberals, so why would a liberal be motivated to go to the trouble? I fail to understand basic things like why someone would want easier competition. Michigan is not exactly where you'd expect a social conservative mouth-breather to run a strong second to Romney, the prodigal son... but that looks to be exactly what happened. I think the script for Santorum isn't playing out like the establishment thought it would.I really don't want to accept the inevitable of Romney having way more money and organization, and being the candidate that 50% of republicans voted for based on electability today.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXKKaWJTls#t=21s
 
Dixie, prepare to be fucked by the long dick of facts.

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1) Oh, what's this? Of the democrats that voted, santorum captured them by a 30% margin. 50 to 18. LOL.

2) Hmm, what else do I see? Oh look, those describing themselves as somewhat liberal voting for santorum by a 5% margin over romney? hmmmmm.

3) oh and what's this interesting numer..... no... you don't say... it's romney crushing with moderates by 14 FUCKING POINTS. Boom.

Pretty bizarre how santorum gets the absolutely most conservative members and the most liberal voters, but is slaughtered among moderates. Why do you think that is? How can you appeal to liberals, AND conservatives at the same time, but get crushed with moderates? What's going on here? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Also, this is a classic case of seeing through media bullshit. All this talk about romney not being able to capture republicans? 11% more than santorum.


Dixie said:
If Mittens is the one who can appeal to the moderates and indies, why isn't he doing it in Michigan?
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Dixie this is what you always do. You just make shit up. You live in a bubble and go on a long spiel using assumptions that have no basis in reality.
 
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Dixie said:
I'm sure you are exactly right, and I also believe it is a bit disingenuous to ignore Santorum is potentially appealing to democrats who believe he has no chance against Obama, but those same people believe Obama can't be beat, even by Romney, so why is Santorum able to appeal to them? And doesn't this all fly in the face of conventional wisdom? If Mittens can't pull some "moderate/indie/dem" vote in his proverbial "home state," where the hell can he depend on these moderates and independents?
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I've been mystified by this "home state" lore.......I've lived in Michigan for over thirty years.......he's not been in this state the entire time, nor has his father.......we should vote for him because we remember what?........Massachusetts is his home state......
 
results are in......news is that Santorum won the west (conservative) side of the state and Romney won the east (moderate) side of the state......so in answer to the question this thread intended to ask........he is......
 
Ive been saying for 6 months now, its going to be Mittens v. President Obama.
I will be okay with the result as Mittens is 1000x's better than the Republicans last attempt at presidental, even though I perfer President Obama a bit more. If Satiorum.... were the nominee I would be very worried about the nation if the President were not reelected.
 
Jarod said:
Ive been saying for 6 months now, its going to be Mittens v. President Obama.
I will be okay with the result as Mittens is 1000x's better than the Republicans last attempt at presidental, even though I perfer President Obama a bit more. If Satiorum.... were the nominee I would be very worried about the nation if the President were not reelected.
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Really? THAT is what you have been saying for six months? You DO realize there is a search feature on this site right?
 
Superfreak said:
Really? THAT is what you have been saying for six months? You DO realize there is a search feature on this site right?
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Other than a brief period where I thought that Perry would do better than he did, I have thought it would be Romney.
 
Jarod said:
Other than a brief period where I thought that Perry would do better than he did, I have thought it would be Romney.
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Translation: "I have been jumping on the bandwagon of every 'frontrunner', that way I can always proclaim that I was on their bandwagon"
 
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