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From the Libertarian party... but do go on about what you belive
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From the Libertarian party... but do go on about what you belive
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The Almighty
Amazing how you got the above out of what I wrote. Once again showing the board that no matter what is written some dumbass liberal will find a way to create a moronic straw man or just go off the reservation with some insane rambling.
So Libertarians aren't really into federal law enforcement? This is getting confusing.
cawacko
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Since I watched Shawshank Redemtion yesterday the word is on the brain. Now you are being obtuse.
Son, you are forgetting yourself.
Your problem is in actual comprehension of what people said then?
I'll summarize: Libertarians think that the Federal Government should intervene only if the local and state authorities fail to protect the rights of the individual. Libertarians believe that the lowest effective level of force should be applied in order to protect the rights of the individual, it is the rights of the individual that Libertarians seek to protect over any supposed "rights" of government.
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The Almighty
It is not really surprising that you are confused. Your masters have clearly not informed you how to react yet. Do wait and tell them I told them to give you an extra cracker for being such a good little parrot.
SF's just plain full of shit. Libertarians believe in a weak federal government, that the 10th Amendment severely restricts federal powers to deal with state level issues (which would include law enforcement) want to eliminate federal income taxes and the like. Unless he's saying that Libertarians believe in the power of the federal courts to deal with disputes among neighbors, powers the federal courts generally don't have, which I don't think he is.
Libertarianism is like socialism or capitolism or marxism... they are all a matter of degree, very few are pure capitolists or socialists or marxists, those who are are very scary. So when we use these terms to describe eachother we are speaking in degrees.
Libertarianism is the belife that less government is better. A pure libertarian would stand on the position that almost no government is best bordering on the line of anarchy. I have never heard libertarianism described in terms of acceptable levels of governmental power starting at local then assending to Federal if the locals fail to address the issues.
Libertarianism is the belife that less government is better. A pure libertarian would stand on the position that almost no government is best bordering on the line of anarchy. I have never heard libertarianism described in terms of acceptable levels of governmental power starting at local then assending to Federal if the locals fail to address the issues.
False, they do not only want as limited a federal roll as possale, they want as limited a government roll at any level as possable.
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The Almighty
That isn't really surprising given your complete lack of understanding of what Libertarians believe.
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The Almighty
please show us where you are getting your information from.
Okay, catb.org is a site to teach you "ethical hacking". Not even close to a site full of experts on libertarianism.
The wiki link clearly states that while Libertarians believe government should be limited, that it should be limited to specific things which include protecting the individual against attack, that government's role is in protecting the individual from "aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud".
And your third link talks about: responsibility (the prohibition against the use of force against others, except in defense).
The two sites that have reasonable definitions clearly indicate that Libertarians believe that there is a governmental role in protecting the individual against aggression, theft, etc. The catb site is seriously not even close to a political site. As I said, it's where you go to learn to hack computers.
The wiki link clearly states that while Libertarians believe government should be limited, that it should be limited to specific things which include protecting the individual against attack, that government's role is in protecting the individual from "aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud".
And your third link talks about: responsibility (the prohibition against the use of force against others, except in defense).
The two sites that have reasonable definitions clearly indicate that Libertarians believe that there is a governmental role in protecting the individual against aggression, theft, etc. The catb site is seriously not even close to a political site. As I said, it's where you go to learn to hack computers.
cawacko
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Some more reading on Stand Your Ground laws from a writer at CATO for those so interested.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/in-defense-of-stand-your-ground-laws/
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/in-defense-of-stand-your-ground-laws/
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
The problem with the authors argument is that they are demonstrably wrong as these types of killings have more than doubled in Florida since the law was enacted and the killers have succesfully used this law to avoid prosecution. In a perfect world he may be right on principle but in reality people are dying and the public is less safe.
A "governmental" role is different from a "federal government" role. And yes, the prohibitions against the use of force against others, except in self-defense, but Zimmerman is claiming self-defense under applicable state law so . . . yeah, what's the legitimate federal government role here from the Libertarian perspective?
Interesting that he says that the law is "not to be assumed optimal and can properly be revisited to make sure they work well." It is a far cry from optimal.
And I followed the link to the Miami Herald piece about what the legislators think their law does, but it doesn't say what they claim it says. There is nothing in the law that provides that Zimmerman lost his right to self-defense by following Trayvon Martin.