Should people be allowed to carry handguns openly?

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Don't you mean the 2nd Amendment? As for Israel, I believe that has something to do with national service.

Don't you mean the 2nd Amendment? As for Israel, I believe that has something to do with national service.

tom....i was speaking of a hypo, hence my use of the 1st amendment and my express mention of the international version. there is no international version of the second amendment. i would have thought you would pick up on that, given your belief that no other country has an open carry law.

i don't believe you are correct about national service. i will look into it, and in the mean time, if you find anything contrary, feel free to post it.

 

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Israel considers itself to be in a war situation, I asked if any country outside of a warzone allows its citizens to open carry weapons.

we're supposedly in a 'war situation', but 7 states still prohibit open carry of a handgun.

 

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rterThanYou;989234]any state that wants to prohibit open carry, can still maintain the right if they allow concealed without a permit. otherwise it's an infringement on the right.

says who?

that is the law. Now, if a bank wants to put up a no guns sign, then the carrier can be cited for trespassing, but not carrying a gun in a bank.

cite the law.

 

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as to the first issue - shall not be infringed: not allowing open carry on main street does not infringe upon your right to bear arms. you can still bear them, albeit not in the open.

the second issue - i don't know if that is a law. banks are private property, as such, the amendments apply differently to them, for example, they do not have to abide by the first amendment.

It is an infringement; because why shouldn't a law abiding citizen be allowed to carry in public?
The key word(s) here are: LAW ABIDING CITIZEN

 

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Israel considers itself to be in a war situation, I asked if any country outside of a warzone allows its citizens to open carry weapons.

tom...israel is not considered a war zone. even if countries are at war, the entire country is not always considered a war zone. for example: WWII, the USA was not considered a war zone.

 

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says who?

United States Supreme Court, Murdock v. commonwealth of pennsylvania.

cite the law.

there is no law, which is why it's the law. Anything not specifically prohibited, is therefore allowed. Since there is no law that prohibits carrying in a bank, carrying in a bank is legal.

 

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What other nation has a Constitution that lays out the right's of it's citizens, the way ours does?

There are many countries that have a written constitution, it is easier to list the ones that don't have a codified constitution.

• Israel
• New Zealand
• Saudi Arabia (however, the Basic Law declares the Qur'an to be Constitution of Saudi Arabia)
• United Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_constitutions

 

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It is an infringement; because why shouldn't a law abiding citizen be allowed to carry in public?
The key word(s) here are: LAW ABIDING CITIZEN

do you know what the word infringement means? the 2nd talks only about bearing arms, it does not talk about HOW we can bear those arms.

let's just take this to you and STY's logical conclusion:

the right to bear arms cannot be infringed.

thus, any child can bear a firearm in school, open or concealed.

 

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tom...israel is not considered a war zone. even if countries are at war, the entire country is not always considered a war zone. for example: WWII, the USA was not considered a war zone.

I will maybe concede Israel but it is hardly a normal country either, if not the whole of Israel it is certainly true of the disputed territories of the West Bank and latterly Gaza.

 

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marterThanYou;989241]United States Supreme Court, Murdock v. commonwealth of pennsylvania.

can you cite the case, the case that came up in westlaw is a JW case....

there is no law, which is why it's the law. Anything not specifically prohibited, is therefore allowed. Since there is no law that prohibits carrying in a bank, carrying in a bank is legal.

 

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I will maybe concede Israel but it is hardly a normal country either, if not the whole of Israel it is certainly true of the disputed territories of the West Bank and latterly Gaza.

what is not normal about it tom? how about egypt, libya, syria....are they normal?

 

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can you cite the case, the case that came up in westlaw is a JW case....

there is no law, which is why it's the law. Anything not specifically prohibited, is therefore allowed. Since there is no law that prohibits carrying in a bank, carrying in a bank is legal.

Where do you draw the line? Is it OK to take guns into a hospital, school, university, church, shopping mall or even a creche?

 

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can you cite the case, the case that came up in westlaw is a JW case....

there is no law, which is why it's the law. Anything not specifically prohibited, is therefore allowed. Since there is no law that prohibits carrying in a bank, carrying in a bank is legal.

so you want me to give you a case law that says 'anything not specifically prohibited by law, is therefore legal', or something close to that. is that right?

 

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Where do you draw the line? Is it OK to take guns into a hospital, school, university, church, shopping mall or even a creche?

in some states it is legal to carry in a hospital, university, church, mall.

 

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what is not normal about it tom? how about egypt, libya, syria....are they normal?

I have been to Egypt and I don't recall anyone carrying guns apart from the police and military, I believe the same was true of the others at least until the Arab Spring.

 

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United States Supreme Court, Murdock v. commonwealth of pennsylvania.

there is no law, which is why it's the law. Anything not specifically prohibited, is therefore allowed. Since there is no law that prohibits carrying in a bank, carrying in a bank is legal.

The bank may ask you to leave however, which is also legal. I certainly dont want armed people in my house who aren't me.

 

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so you want me to give you a case law that says 'anything not specifically prohibited by law, is therefore legal', or something close to that. is that right?

just give me the cite of the case you mentioned. what is so hard about that? you already know the case name, i told you when i searched in WL it gave me a case that didn't fit what you're talking about.

do you want me to accept case law that says nothing about your claim? if the case you cited supports your claim, i am more than willing to read your analysis as to why that case is analogous to your claim. not all cases are golden egg, i know that, but explain to me why your case supports your supposition. STY, you have a good head for legal issues and i always respect your opinion, despite i'm always right.

 

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The bank may ask you to leave however, which is also legal. I certainly dont want armed people in my house who aren't me.

correct, which is what I said in an earlier post.

 

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just give me the cite of the case you mentioned. what is so hard about that? you already know the case name, i told you when i searched in WL it gave me a case that didn't fit what you're talking about.

I'm actually unaware of the case you're referring to.

do you want me to accept case law that says nothing about your claim? if the case you cited supports your claim, i am more than willing to read your analysis as to why that case is analogous to your claim. not all cases are golden egg, i know that, but explain to me why your case supports your supposition. STY, you have a good head for legal issues and i always respect your opinion, despite i'm always right.

my statement 'anything not specifically prohibited by law, is therefore legal' supported merely by the fact that there is nothing to charge a person with for performing some action that isn't prohibited by law. If it's not prohibited by law, it must therefore be legal.

 

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I have been to Egypt and I don't recall anyone carrying guns apart from the police and military, I believe the same was true of the others at least until the Arab Spring.

then normal is a relative term, imo.

let me say again, if people in my town openly carried guns, say on a certain night the town closes down main street to have a farmer's market, i would not be the only one concerned and uncomfortable about it. and this town is more conservative than other coastal towns.