I don't think Washington demanded this war, but I definitely think they provoked it. It looks like they were so arrogant they thought Russia would just let them walk all over them. I think Jeffrey Sach's commentary on what happened immediately preceding Russia's military operation in February 2022 was gold:
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At the end of 2021, Putin put on the table a last effort to reach a modus operandi with the U.S., in two security agreement drafts, one with Europe and one with the United States. He put the Russia-U.S. draft agreement on the table on Dec. 15, 2021.

Following that, I had an hour-long call with [National Security Advisor] Jake Sullivan in the White House, begging, “Jake, avoid the war. You can avoid the war. All the U.S. has to do is say, ‘NATO will not enlarge to Ukraine.’” And he said to me, “Oh, NATO’s not going to enlarge to Ukraine. Don’t worry about it.”

I said, “Jake, say it publicly.”

“No. No. No. We can’t say it publicly.”

I said, “Jake, you’re going to have a war over something that isn’t even going to happen?”

He said, “Don’t worry, Jeff. There will be no war.”

These are not very bright people. I’m telling you, if I can give you my honest view, they’re not very bright people. They talk to themselves. They don’t talk to anybody else. They play game theory. In noncooperative game theory, you don’t talk to the other side. You just make your strategy. This is the essence of non-cooperative game theory. It’s not negotiation theory. It’s not peacemaking theory. It is unilateral, noncooperative theory, if you know formal game theory.

That’s what they play. That kind of game theory started [in application] at the RAND Corporation. That’s what they still play. In 2019, there’s a paper by RAND, “Extending Russia: Competing from Advantageous Ground.”

Incredibly, the paper, in the public domain, asks how the U.S. should annoy, antagonize, and weaken Russia. That’s literally the strategy. We’re trying to provoke Russia, trying to make Russia break apart, perhaps have regime change, maybe unrest, maybe an economic crisis.

That’s what you in Europe call your ally. So, there I was with my frustrating phone call with Sullivan, standing out in the freezing cold. I happened to be trying to have a ski day.

“Oh, there’ll be no war, Jeff.”

We know what happened next: the Biden administration refused to negotiate over NATO enlargement. The stupidest idea of NATO is the so-called open-door policy, based on Article 10 of the NATO Treaty (1949). NATO reserves the right to go where it wants, as long as the host government agrees, without any neighbor – such as Russia — having any say whatsoever.

Well, I tell the Mexicans and the Canadians, “Don’t try it.” You know, Trump may want to take over Canada. So, the Canadian government could say to China, “Why don’t you build a military base in Ontario?” I wouldn’t advise it. The U.S. would not say, “Well, it’s an open door. That’s Canada’s and China’s business, not ours.” The U.S. would invade Canada.

Yet grownups, including in Europe, in this Parliament, in NATO, in the European Commission, repeat the absurd mantra that Russia has no say in NATO enlargement. This is nonsense stuff. This is not even baby geopolitics. This is just not thinking at all. So, the Ukraine War escalated in February 2022 when the Biden Administration refused any serious negotiations.

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Putin didn't realize Ukraine started off with 800,000 troops dug in with who knows how many western mercenaries waiting for Russia. Putin was smart to pull back, regroup and come up with a new strategy. NATO continues to believe this is a 50-year war.
 
Putin didn't realize Ukraine started off with 800,000 troops dug in with who knows how many western mercenaries waiting for Russia. Putin was smart to pull back, regroup and come up with a new strategy. NATO continues to believe this is a 50-year war.
No....that is not what happened......the Russians went in with enough to make a statement....to get a deal....the one that was done in Istanbul....The Russia plan worked like a charm....till the Imperial Empire ordered Z to not sign it....and he followed his orders.

Once we demanded war the Russians came up with a new plan....they pulled back some....and then doubled the size of their Army.
 
No....that is not what happened......the Russians went in with enough to make a statement....to get a deal....the one that was done in Istanbul....The Russia plan worked like a charm....till the Imperial Empire ordered Z to not sign it....and he followed his orders.

Once we demanded war the Russians came up with a new plan....they pulled back some....and then doubled the size of their Army.
My source could be wrong but he said Ukraine had 800,000 troops with who knows how many western mercenaries dug in. It took Russia almost 3 years to turn them into hamburger.
 
"Washington are idiots, they cant think, not a one of them......they think they own the world.....THEY DONT!"

Oh, I definitely think that some politicians in Washington are quite good at thinking- the problem is that they're not the ones in charge.
 
My source could be wrong but he said Ukraine had 800,000 troops with who knows how many western mercenaries dug in. It took Russia almost 3 years to turn them into hamburger.

Ukraine has certainly has a formidable active army. I suspect the only active duty army larger is Russia's. But it's taken a -very- heavy toll on Ukraine and by the looks of it, that toll will continue for some time.
 
Putin didn't realize Ukraine started off with 800,000 troops dug in with who knows how many western mercenaries waiting for Russia. Putin was smart to pull back, regroup and come up with a new strategy.

I don't know what Putin knew about Ukraine's forces, but his -original- goal when he started his military operation in Ukraine in February 22 was not to permanently take any Ukrainian land, but rather to pressure Ukraine into negotiating an end to the 8 year Ukrainian civil war. That changed when Zelensky walked away from a peace agreement that would have seen the Russian military head back to Russia. Again from American Professor and Statesman Jeffrey Sachs:
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When Zelensky said a few days after Russia’s invasion that Ukraine was ready for neutrality, a peace agreement was in reach. I know the details of this because I talked to key negotiators and mediators in detail and have learned much from public pronouncements of others. Shortly after the start of negotiations in March 2022, a document was exchanged between the parties that President Putin had approved, and that Lavrov had presented. This was being managed by the Turkish mediators. I flew to Ankara in the spring of 2022 to hear first-hand and in detail what happened in the mediation. The bottom-line is this: Ukraine walked away, unilaterally, from a near agreement.

End of the Ukraine War

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Why did Ukraine walk away from the negotiations? Because the United States told them to and because the U.K. added icing to the cake by having BoJo [Boris Johnson, the former U.K. prime minister] go to Kyiv in early April to Ukraine to make the same point.

[U.K Prime Minister] Keir Starmer turns out to be even worse, even more of a warmonger. It’s unimaginable, but it is true. Boris Johnson explained, and you can find it on the web, that what’s at stake here is nothing less than Western hegemony! Not Ukraine but Western hegemony.

Michael von der Schulenberg and I met at the Vatican with a group of experts in Spring 2022, and we wrote a document explaining that nothing good can come out of continued war. (The meeting at the Vatican was the Fraternal Economy Session on Jubilee 2025: “Hope in the Signs of the Times.”)

Our group argued strenuously, but to no avail, that Ukraine should negotiate immediately, because delays will mean massive deaths, risk of nuclear escalation, and possibly an outright loss of the war.

I wouldn’t want to change one word from what we wrote then. Nothing was wrong in that document. Since the U.S. talked Ukraine out of the negotiations, perhaps one million Ukrainians have died or been severely wounded.

And American senators who are as nasty and cynical as imaginable say this is a wonderful expenditure of U.S. money because no Americans are dying. It’s the pure proxy war. One of our senators nearby New York State, Connecticut’s Richard Blumenthal, said this out loud. Mitt Romney said this out loud. It’s the best money America can spend. No Americans are dying. It’s unreal.

Now, just to bring us up to yesterday, the U.S. Ukraine Project has failed. The core idea of the project all along was that Russia would fold its hand. The core idea all along was Russia can’t resist, just as Zbigniew Brzezinski argued in 1997. The Americans thought the U.S. surely has the upper hand.

The U.S. will win because we’re going to bluff them. The Russians are not really going to fight. The Russians are really going to mobilize. We’ll deploy the economic “nuclear option” of cutting Russia out of SWIFT. That will destroy the economy. Our sanctions will bring Russia to their knees. The HIMARS will do them in. The ATACMS, the F-16s, will do them in. Honestly, I’ve listened to this kind of talk for more than 50 years. Our national security leaders have spoken nonsense for decades.

I begged the Ukrainians: stay neutral. Don’t listen to the Americans. I repeated to them the famous adage of Henry Kissinger, that to be an enemy of the United States is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal. Let me repeat that for Europe: To be an enemy of the United States is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.

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No....that is not what happened......the Russians went in with enough to make a statement....to get a deal....the one that was done in Istanbul....The Russia plan worked like a charm....till the Imperial Empire ordered Z to not sign it....and he followed his orders.

Once we demanded war the Russians came up with a new plan....they pulled back some....and then doubled the size of their Army.

One thing, I don't think that Zelensky was ever a western soldier taking orders, but rather, an American henchman, treated as someone who might one day become something like a European henchman, such as, say, Boris Johnson. He even did a skit a little almost 11 years ago wherein he literally said this:
"Today, by the way, our President, and I mean our main, important President, Barack Obama, promised that we will soon join NATO. And it goes without saying, as America's henchman, ofcourse."

For anyone who hasn't seen Zelensky's skit, I highly recommend taking a look. The above part can be seen starting at around the 1:40 mark:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6-PU9CpHRs&ab_channel=TimJeanes


I think there is an important difference between being a western soldier and an American henchman. Boris Johnson wouldn't have come all the way over to Ukraine if Zelensky was simply a soldier, he'd have just called him and told him not to sign the deal. Coming to Ukraine was well done because it gave the -impression- that he was talking to a peer rather than a commander. I think Zelensky finally started understanding the truth that he had been bamboozled when he had his tussle with Trump at the White House, but I don't think it's fully sunk in just yet.
 
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Just finished skimming through an article from Moon of Alabama, thought it was quite good. It can be seen here:

Here's the article's conclusion:
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The U.S. can not be a mediator in a war, or wash its hands over it, when it continues to supply weapons and the all important field intelligence and communication means needed to wage it. Only yesterday the U.S. allowed Australia to send (old) U.S. made tanks to Ukraine.

Trump's claims of disengaging from the war has yet to be confirmed by any evidence that he is really going to do so.

The only thing Trump did reject so far was to join the European attempts to escalate the war by inserting their own troops into it.

Having learned from the economic disaster his tariffs have caused Trump also rejected plans to impose secondary sanctions in form of 500% tariffs on anyone who continues to buy oil from Russia.

Aside from that Trump has kept support for the war on the same level as before and only refrained from expanding it.

That he is, for now, leaving the negotiations to Russia and Ukraine, is an admission that he has failed to keep his election promise of making peace.

The U.S. will have to reengage in negotiations if peace is to be achieved. It is U.S. (NATO) expansionism that has cause the war.

Russia needs to remove the root cause, U.S. (NATO) expansionism, to achieve peace.

A complete victory in Ukraine is a necessary but not yet sufficient condition for that.

But chances are good that the further disagreements over the defeat of Ukraine will rip NATO apart.

That might be the victory President Putin has on his mind.

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Ukraine has certainly has a formidable active army. I suspect the only active duty army larger is Russia's. But it's taken a -very- heavy toll on Ukraine and by the looks of it, that toll will continue for some time.
War profiteers are making a fortune and plan on keeping this proxy war going for aa long as they can. The problem is Bibi demands they switch their attention to Iran which has more museums and oil than Iraq.

The first thing our special forces did after the ground invasion was loot Iraq's museums.
 
War profiteers are making a fortune and plan on keeping this proxy war going for aa long as they can. The problem is Bibi demands they switch their attention to Iran which has more museums and oil than Iraq.

The first thing our special forces did after the ground invasion was loot Iraq's museums.

I've never seen any concrete evidence that it was U.S. special forces that did it, but certainly, the U.S. didn't do much to stop them from being looted. I remember reading a story about in one, looters had started to loot one, and some people did manage to get the U.S. army to scare them off, for a bit. Once the soldiers left, they just came back and finished the job.
 
I've never seen any concrete evidence that it was U.S. special forces that did it, but certainly, the U.S. didn't do much to stop them from being looted. I remember reading a story about in one, looters had started to loot one, and some people did manage to get the U.S. army to scare them off, for a bit. Once the soldiers left, they just came back and finished the job.
Looting Iraq's museums was a black ops planned and implemented by the CIA, MI6, and Mossad. It played a part in the reason for a ground invasion. US military would be ordered away. Many books and articles have been written on this subject.
 
Looting Iraq's museums was a black ops planned and implemented by the CIA, MI6, and Mossad. It played a part in the reason for a ground invasion. US military would be ordered away. Many books and articles have been written on this subject.

I didn't read any of those articles, just the -suspicion- that it may have been planned. Do you have a link handy?
 
I didn't read any of those articles, just the -suspicion- that it may have been planned. Do you have a link handy?
I have a busy day so it will take me a while. You can do a search and read through some of the articles to see if you find anything disputing the CIA involvement.
 
Looting Iraq's museums was a black ops planned and implemented by the CIA, MI6, and Mossad. It played a part in the reason for a ground invasion. US military would be ordered away. Many books and articles have been written on this subject.
I didn't read any of those articles, just the -suspicion- that it may have been planned. Do you have a link handy?
I have a busy day so it will take me a while.

I can wait.


You can do a search

Ofcourse, but I generally limit my searches to information I myself have seen before. I tend to view looking for evidence for claims that -other- people make to be doing their research for them.

We can certainly agree that a great deal of archaelogical looting took place after the United States' invasion of Iraq:
 
War profiteers are making a fortune and plan on keeping this proxy war going for aa long as they can. The problem is Bibi demands they switch their attention to Iran which has more museums and oil than Iraq.

The first thing our special forces did after the ground invasion was loot Iraq's museums.
Several of my guys think that Washington is going to leave Ukraine for Europe, and go after China....which is even more insane than going after Iran.
 
Several of my guys think that Washington is going to leave Ukraine for Europe, and go after China....which is even more insane than going after Iran.

One can -hope- that the U.S. has learned something both from its tariff wars and from its experience with the Houthis.
 
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