christiefan915
Catalyst
Seriously, is he for real or just trolling. </rhetorical>
Charlie Kirk Helped Republicans Break Through to Young People
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He said in one post he didn’t agree with everything that Kirk espoused, does that mean he didn’t listen?
I don't expect you to "join his cult"... I also don't expect someone like BartenderElite to join his cult. However, I do know that folks with leftist opinions can comprehend his message because of folks like BartenderElite and others.
What I do know, is that you didn't want to hear the actual message, you wanted to hear his examples of the excuses people use that he listed before he flat told them that all of those are just excuses...
What I do know, is that you went in with an opinion of what you thought he would say, and only heard the portions you wanted to hear... exactly as I predicted you would.
I'll tell you what happened in the video. He made a list of excuses that people used, then dismissed them all and put the responsibility directly on the shoulders of the person where they belonged....
What you heard... His list of the excuses that he dismissed as mattering.
Jade Dragon
And I'm the one that jaded you.
You're really becoming a hardass. I'm white, Christian, and have a more right-leaning perspective on transgenderism. Kirk still isn't my cup of tea. If you act that way when Christiefan said she listened and still didn't see what you wanted her to see, then you are trying to push a cult mentality.
I do not. Specifically I do not agree that gay people "sin". However I do agree with what he told that one guy who was vile towards gays at one of this campus events. That what they do in their own lives should not matter to him. I don't agree why... he said it shouldn't matter because Jesus would have ministered to them like he did with prostitutes and tax collectors, Samarians, etc. I think it shouldn't matter because the Constitution gives each of us a right to believe in God differently, and I do not believe in a God that would punish folks for who they love...
I do not always agree with Charlie. I do have the same position on dialogue though, I have to or I would be running a "libertarians only" forum and it would suck.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
I've been watching "The Strain" and believe there is some weird bug going around in MAGAland which makes them stupid, blood thirsty, hateful and seeking to destroy our Republic through installing a White Nationalist dictatorship.
In one of "The Strain" episodes, the Nazi character Thomas Eichorst lectures the Jewish prisoner Abraham Setrakian not to hate Hitler since Hitler was elected in a democratic election. This episode was made in 2014. Weird!
I’m sure you don’t agree with his positions on black people?
What about women submitting to their husbands?
Yeah,...when are YOU going to try that some time?
Mr. Tiny Penis, why are you always fixated on the negative side? Turn your bed over and rid your house of all the "White Supremacists" housed within. Set yourself free.
Which positions on black people?
And yeah. I would likely disagree with anything religious based. He would, however, have listened to my position at one of his events.
Tobytone
Verified User
Look, you started strong in your original post, but then you either caved to your leftist pals or proved you’re as clueless and radicalized as they are. Which is it? Be specific. When you or your drone buddies make broad claims divorced from reality, back them up with evidence, not just empty virtue signaling.
You agreed 100% with a drone in your thread who called Charlie Kirk divisive. How is he divisive? Seriously, explain how a guy who roots his principles in deep research, starting from the dawn of human history, speaks truth calmly and respectfully, and gives anyone bold enough to challenge him a platform that millions hear is “divisive.” That's divisive? He doesn't agree with the left and gives anyone an opportunity to make their argument often screaming and getting as personally insulting as possible while he calmly waits and shares his perspective. That's called civil debate. If it's divisive, explain with evidence, not just your feelings.
Then you backed some radicalized idiot in your thread who called Kirk a demagogue. Really? Define the term and give me one solid example that fits. Not a meme, not some trash article from a propaganda rag that feeds off the brainwashed morons it creates. Prove you get the word and show evidence that matches. Crazy concept, right? Using your own brain.
I’m already beyond the attention span of most lefty's here. I’ll debate any of my claims or labels anytime. I don’t toss them out lightly, I’ve got receipts. Most can’t fully grasp how much we lost with Kirk and you are right about how much influence he had in so little time also surprises those not familiar with his work.
We need a sane opposition party, but right now we only have one that is not batshit crazy. Wake up drones and save your party or start a new one.
Kirk was a college dropout, yet smarter and more educated than any fool on the left. He could wipe the floor with any “great” intellectual, left or right. Either you or someone else on this thread was trying to come up with a left-wing comparison to Charlie Kirk. Nobody on the left comes close to Charlie Kirk not even a little bit. Disagree? Name them. I’ll wait.
Do the work. Dig deeper. Read his books or watch a few of his thousands of recorded speeches and events. No reasonable person who studies his debate style and delivery would keep nodding along to the brain-dead labels the radicalized drones your thread threw around, which you so easily agreed with.
Were you chasing likes for a quick dopamine hit, or are you as intellectually lazy as the morons clicking those buttons? There’s a lot here. Pick just one point you disagree with, and let’s have a real debate with substance, not just trade one-liner insults like as usual. Surprise me, you'd be in a class of you own if you do.
No one is stating he didn’t listen, many of us just found his positions to be alarming.
Here are his positions on blacks
That prominent black women are affirmative action hires and not necessarily qualified for their positions. “Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot."
He stated that passing the Civil Rights Act was a huge mistake.
He stated blacks were better off in the 1940’s under Jim Crow.
If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” Charlie Kirk
He said this after they stated that they got their positions because of affirmative action.
Yes. He did. He points out that because of it we focus on race over character and he thinks there is a better way, and that it should be the content of your character rather than the melanin content of your skin that we should focus on.
What he said: “I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I’ve thought about it,” Kirk said at America Fest. “We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.”
He then explained why (I put it up above).
I personally do not believe that not passing it would have made us better, and know that there was no better legislation in the wings that could have passed. He and I would disagree on this one. I don't think that it was a mistake.
Did he? I think he's wrong if he did. Democrat lawmakers passing Jim Crow laws was one of the worst things in our history, after slavery itself.
This is part of the argument with DEI and the Civil Rights Act. Because of the focus DEI sets on hiring a pigmentation, he thinks that even though he wouldn't otherwise think that way that because people are hired for pigmentation rather than expertise you may not have the best surgeon or pilot available...
I personally do not look in the cockpit before a flight begins and have no idea who the pilot is and do not think twice about it. So, here is another place we'd disagree.
signalmankenneth
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I've been thinking about the people who his message appealed to. What's wrong in their lives that they latched onto the words of a demagogue? Why were divisive comments like this resonating with them? Like you, I'm trying to get inside their heads.
"The evangelical Christian and father of two urged women to marry young, have many children and submit to their husbands. He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and opposed diversity efforts and gun control. He said transgender people were suffering from “mental delusion.”
“He didn’t have a lot of empathy or sympathy for humans. And I think that his views were flawed,” said Sofia Doneski, 18, a student at Arizona State University. Still, she said Kirk was talented at appealing to young people. “I don’t see anyone doing that for leftists,” she said."
Such a caring person he was?!!
christiefan915
Catalyst
What!!! I didn't know that. I wanted to see his words and I found them. 
"And why is [the attacker] still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out?” Kirk asked. “By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out. I bet his bail’s like 30[,000] or 40,000 bucks. Bail him out, and then go ask him some questions.”
“I’m not qualifying it. I think it’s awful. It’s not right,” Kirk said about the attack on Pelosi, who suffered a skull fracture after being hit in the head with a hammer. “But why is it that in Chicago you’re able to commit murder and be out the next day? Why is it that you’re able to trespass, second-degree murder, arson, threaten a public official, cashless bail. This happens all over San Francisco. But if you go after the Pelosis, oh, you’re [not] let out immediately. Got it.”
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"And why is [the attacker] still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out?” Kirk asked. “By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out. I bet his bail’s like 30[,000] or 40,000 bucks. Bail him out, and then go ask him some questions.”
“I’m not qualifying it. I think it’s awful. It’s not right,” Kirk said about the attack on Pelosi, who suffered a skull fracture after being hit in the head with a hammer. “But why is it that in Chicago you’re able to commit murder and be out the next day? Why is it that you’re able to trespass, second-degree murder, arson, threaten a public official, cashless bail. This happens all over San Francisco. But if you go after the Pelosis, oh, you’re [not] let out immediately. Got it.”
Viral Claims About Charlie Kirk's Words - FactCheck.org
Since the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk on Sept. 10, social media users have shared posts showing, quoting or paraphrasing remarks the posts attribute to the conservative activist. Many readers have asked us to provide the facts on whether Kirk, the founder of the youth political group Turning...
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He still believed that those very qualified women stole a white persons slot.
He clearly believes that black women aren’t qualified and only achieve their positions through affirmative action.
I don't think that is mocking anybody. In SF cashless bond is a thing and all he says is someone should bail him out an ask questions.What!!! I didn't know that. I wanted to see his words and I found them.
"And why is [the attacker] still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out?” Kirk asked. “By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out. I bet his bail’s like 30[,000] or 40,000 bucks. Bail him out, and then go ask him some questions.”
“I’m not qualifying it. I think it’s awful. It’s not right,” Kirk said about the attack on Pelosi, who suffered a skull fracture after being hit in the head with a hammer. “But why is it that in Chicago you’re able to commit murder and be out the next day? Why is it that you’re able to trespass, second-degree murder, arson, threaten a public official, cashless bail. This happens all over San Francisco. But if you go after the Pelosis, oh, you’re [not] let out immediately. Got it.”
Viral Claims About Charlie Kirk's Words - FactCheck.org
Since the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk on Sept. 10, social media users have shared posts showing, quoting or paraphrasing remarks the posts attribute to the conservative activist. Many readers have asked us to provide the facts on whether Kirk, the founder of the youth political group Turning...
He says he's not justifying it and that "I think it is awful. It's not right."....
And instead of actually hearing what he talked about you chose to believe he somehow "mocked" Paul Pelosi? I think you are lying to yourself at this point. You do not have any ability to understand the language and posted something that isn't all that controversial.
Actually,.......now you are up to FOUR likes,...ALL from Conservatives. You would think a post like yours would be encouraging to all of us regardless of political affiliation.
BartenderElite
Verified User
I do think we'll get there.
I had been disregarding watching some of the "celebrations" until yesterday. I saw a couple online, and they literally broke my heart. From people I might sit next to at work or even have a beer with - a complete lack of humanity.
And I know I have a darkness in me also, that I have to monitor & always be vigilant about (I would never celebrate a death, but I'm guilty of dehumanizing people to an extent). It's like the end of Rocky IV - "if I can change, and you can change, we all can change." Or he said something like that, but it resonates. We all have to change.
Fuck you asshole. You supported the assassination of your president so, fuck you!