A novel idea for dealing with violent crime

It'd be even better if you offed most of these thugs after they were convicted. Keeps the costs down...

My bet: We run out of criminals before we run out of ammunition...
 
Thank God we have these enlightened minds to put us on the right track.
With that kind of brainpower, maybe we can sing songs as we swirl down history's toilet drain.

No country can survive with our collective national IQ.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and you simply don't care about it? i'm trying to see what you're advocating for.......a system that just kills people convicted of capital crimes or a system that it's better to let 10 guilty go free than to imprison one innocent.
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Where did I say kill people? Please don't behave like a leftist and respond to what you think I said rather than to what I actually said. Please.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and you simply don't care about it? i'm trying to see what you're advocating for.......a system that just kills people convicted of capital crimes or a system that it's better to let 10 guilty go free than to imprison one innocent.
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I was quite clear in saying they are killed only after trial and conviction for their crimes. That means a guilty person is getting that punishment. And, yes, we should do that for serious crimes and for repeat offenders. Why should we chance them doing more crimes or violence once in prison? What punishment do you give someone sentenced to say life without parole when they assault and beat a guard or another inmate, or worse murder a guard or inmate?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I was quite clear in saying they are killed only after trial and conviction for their crimes. That means a guilty person is getting that punishment. And, yes, we should do that for serious crimes and for repeat offenders. Why should we chance them doing more crimes or violence once in prison? What punishment do you give someone sentenced to say life without parole when they assault and beat a guard or another inmate, or worse murder a guard or inmate?
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as technology advances and more video around the country is recorded, clear and incontrovertible proof is great to implement that agenda, however, what about the cases where that doesn't exist, along with the large amount of cases that groups like the innocent project find and eventually get a conviction overturned because of a bad case?????
 
SmarterthanYou said:
as technology advances and more video around the country is recorded, clear and incontrovertible proof is great to implement that agenda, however, what about the cases where that doesn't exist, along with the large amount of cases that groups like the innocent project find and eventually get a conviction overturned because of a bad case?????
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You are using a special pleading here. The number of cases where someone is innocent but found guilty is miniscule. A tiny fraction of all cases does something like that occur. In most cases where there is questionable evidence, the prosecutor doesn't even bring charges because it would be a waste of time to try the case.

What I am saying is you have a repeat offender, a career criminal, who is found guilty of new crimes on top of ones previously committed. There is overwhelming evidence that this person is not going to be reformed, therefore, off them.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You are using a special pleading here. The number of cases where someone is innocent but found guilty is miniscule. A tiny fraction of all cases does something like that occur. In most cases where there is questionable evidence, the prosecutor doesn't even bring charges because it would be a waste of time to try the case.

What I am saying is you have a repeat offender, a career criminal, who is found guilty of new crimes on top of ones previously committed. There is overwhelming evidence that this person is not going to be reformed, therefore, off them.
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I had no idea that you had such faith in the integrity of the US Justice system........
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I was quite clear in saying they are killed only after trial and conviction for their crimes. That means a guilty person is getting that punishment. And, yes, we should do that for serious crimes and for repeat offenders. Why should we chance them doing more crimes or violence once in prison? What punishment do you give someone sentenced to say life without parole when they assault and beat a guard or another inmate, or worse murder a guard or inmate?
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It does not mean that. It means a flawed court system found a guy guilty. We all know how many people have been found innocent since DNA came along. https://time.com/wrongly-convicted/
The nations that keep the death penalty are the lowest type. They are dictatorships, super strong leaders, and old-fashioned religions that kill for god. Enlightened nations see the state killing as a mark against them and their "justice". system. If murder is wrong, the state killing people is wrong too.
 
Nordberg said:
It does not mean that. It means a flawed court system found a guy guilty. We all know how many people have been found innocent since DNA came along. https://time.com/wrongly-convicted/
The nations that keep the death penalty are the lowest type. They are dictatorships, super strong leaders, and old-fashioned religions that kill for god. Enlightened nations see the state killing as a mark against them and their "justice". system. If murder is wrong, the state killing people is wrong too.
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There are about 1.5 million people in prison in the US. About 2000 (from your article) have been exonerated over a period of--minimally--a decade, and more like several decades. But let's go with just a decade.

That's .0013%. Basically, it's nothing. It's damn near an accounting error. Sure, people are wrongly convicted in a tiny fraction of cases, but the number is so small as to be insignificant. Claiming that justifies wrecking the whole justice system to fix it is akin to insanely demanding an end to all pollution, or taking a zero-tolerance approach to almost anything.
 
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