A self-inflicted wound…

Jarod

Jarod

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John McClain and Lindsey Graham have called Trumps latest executive order A self-inflicted wound in the war on terror. I don't often agree with those two men, but I do here.


One amazing cluster fuck at the White House, what is this amateur hour? Those guys did not even know Who the executive order pertained to!
 
Jarod said:
John McClain and Lindsey Graham have called Trumps latest executive order A self-inflicted wound in the war on terror. I don't often agree with those two men, but I do here.


One amazing cluster fuck at the White House, what is this amateur hour? Those guys did not even know Who the executive order pertained to!
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Trump is indeed an amateur...
He is without experience in governance.
This will be much more than an amateur hour. The whole crew has no idea what they are doing.
 
graham and mccain and their neocon/neolib world view has been leading the war on terror for 15 years. All to no effect. Time for a new approach.
 
Jarod said:
John McClain and Lindsey Graham have called Trumps latest executive order A self-inflicted wound in the war on terror. I don't often agree with those two men, but I do here.


One amazing cluster fuck at the White House, what is this amateur hour? Those guys did not even know Who the executive order pertained to!
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According to the left.....the order was clear, it banned the faith of Islam. Laugh My Ass Off. Another contradiction.
 
Ralph said:
According to the left.....the order was clear, it banned the faith of Islam. Laugh My Ass Off. Another contradiction.
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The order was anything but clear. Those who are expected to implement it have no instruction on how to do so or what the parameters are.
 
No it's technically not a Muslim ban, but he did promise a Muslim ban... was he lying, or is that still on it's way?
 
Jarod said:
No it's technically not a Muslim ban, but he did promise a Muslim ban... was he lying, or is that still on it's way?
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Did he now.....promise a Muslim Ban? Really? Only if you are taking out of context the real objective....shutting down Muslim immigration because of Radical Islamic Terrorism and its declared war on the United States of America. FYI: There are over 50 Islamic countries around the globe....do you assume that President Trump was talking about stopping all immigration from these nations..with his ban on Muslims?

One could do like FDR and round up all Muslims in this nation and place them into detention camps. Do you think that the US would allow Japanese immigration into the states during WW2? Or do you think that Barry Soetoro would allow Muslim immigration into the United States in 2011 for a 6 month period....even the ones that helped the US in the Iraqi war with translation etc., ?

The hypocrisy is priceless. ;) Islamic Radicalism has declared war on the United States of America....twice, once in 96 and once in 98. We are at war....all it would take is one suit case Nuke in a large liberal city, as that's who they hate...liberals. Not that I would mind...but there are few good people even in the largest liberal cities....the liberals deserve to get what they are demanding.....but not the innocent people who love their nation unlike liberals.
 
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Ralph said:
Did he now.....promise a Muslim Ban? Really? Only if you are taking out of context the real objective....shutting down Muslim immigration because of Radical Islamic Terrorism and its declared war on the United States of America. FYI: There are over 50 Islamic countries around the globe....do you assume that President Trump was talking about stopping all immigration from these nations..with his ban on Muslims?

One could do like FDR and round up all Muslims in this nation and place them into detention camps. Do you think that the US would allow Japanese immigration into the states during WW2? Or do you think that Barry Soetoro would allow Muslim immigration into the United States in 2011 for a 6 month period....even the ones that helped the US in the Iraqi war with translation etc., ?

The hypocrisy is priceless. ;) Islamic Radicalism has declared war on the United States of America....twice, once in 96 and once in 98. We are at war....all it would take is one suit case Nuke in a large liberal city, as that's who they hate...liberals. Not that I would mind...but there are few good people even in the largest liberal cities....the liberals deserve to get what they are demanding.....but not the innocent people who love their nation unlike liberals.
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"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete ban on all Muslims entering the country"

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
 
Obama never banned immigrants from Iraq, he put a freeze on new visa's. immigration continued.
 
Jarod said:
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete ban on all Muslims entering the country"

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
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Come on Jarod show us where he stated it.
From your link.

"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trum
 
Jarod said:
John McClain and Lindsey Graham have called Trumps latest executive order A self-inflicted wound in the war on terror. I don't often agree with those two men, but I do here.


One amazing cluster fuck at the White House, what is this amateur hour? Those guys did not even know Who the executive order pertained to!
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Donald Stump is a self-inflicted wound on the entire country.
 
“Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional,” then-governor Pence tweeted at 7:30 a.m. on Dec. 8, 2015.
 
[h=1]OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION MADE THE “MUSLIM BAN” POSSIBLE AND THE MEDIA WON’T TELL YOU[/h]January 28, 2017 · by sfrantzman · in Articles, Uncategorized. ·
By SETH J. FRANTZMAN
I was outraged by the ban on refugees from war-torn countries in the Middle East. I’ve covered refugees fleeing war in Iraq and Syria over the last two years,
on the road in Greece, Serbia and Macedonia, speaking to poor people in Turkey and Jordan and discussing the hopes and fears of people displaced in Iraq. If you want to ban “terrorists,” these are the last people to hit with a refugee ban. Instead the government should be using the best intelligence possible to find people being radicalized, some of whom have lived in the US their whole lives or who come from countries not affected by the ban, such as Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
So I was outraged, and then I read the executive order. There are many full texts of the order online, such as at CNN, the NYT, the WSJ or Independent. According to most reports Trump was banning “nationals of seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States for at least the next 90 days.” This bars people from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. USSenator Elizabeth Warren said “Let’s be clear: A Muslim ban by any other name is still a Muslim ban,” and Senator Chris Murphy claimed “Trump has now handed ISIS a path to rebirth.” Media, such as Vox and the Independent,compared the ban to banning Jews from entry during the Holocaust and bashed Trump for singing the order on Holocaust memorial day. World leaders are“condemning Trump’s Muslim ban,” according to headlines.
I had to see for myself, so I read the executive order. The order does seek “to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States.” It says that it seeks “Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern.” It also says “I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order.” And it targets Syrians specifically. “I hereby proclaim that the entry of nationals of Syria as refugees is detrimental to the interests of the United States and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I have determined that sufficient changes have been made to the USRAP to ensure that admission of Syrian refugees is consistent with the national interest.”
But, wait a sec. According to the reports “The order bars all people hailing from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.” Critics had attacked Trump for selecting these seven countries and not selecting other states “linked to his sprawling business empire.” Bloomberg and Forbes bought into this.
But, wait a sec. I read the order and Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemenare not mentioned in it.
Go back and read it again. Do a “ctrl-f” to find “Iraq”. Where is “Iraq” in the order. It’s not there. Only Syria is there. So where are the seven nations? Where is the “Muslim ban”? It turns out this was a form of fake news, or alternative facts. Trump didn’t select seven “Muslim-majority” countries. US President Barack Obama’s administration selected these seven Muslim-majority countries.
The Department of Homeland Security targeted these seven countries over the last years as countries of concern. In February 2016 “The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals.” It was the US policy under Obama to restrict and target people “who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).” This was text of the US Customs and Border Protection in 2015 relating to “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“. The link even includes the seven nation list in it: “Iraq, Syria, Iran, SUdan, Somalia or Yemen.” And the media knew this back in May 2016 when some civil rights groups complained about it. “These restrictions have provoked an outcry from the Iranian-American community, as well as Arab-American and civil-liberties groups, who say the restrictions on dual nationals and certain travelers are discriminatory and could be imposed against American dual nationals.”
It was signed into law on December 18, 2015, as part of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of FY2016.
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The Congress and Homeland Security selected these countries in 2016 and before (Screenshot of visa waiver categories, US Customs and Border Protection)

What? So there was a Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 two years before Trump? There was a kind of “Muslim ban” before the Muslim ban? But almost no one critiqued it in 2015 because it was Obama’s administration overseeing it.
So for more than a year it has been US policy to discriminate against, target and even begin to ban people from the seven countries that Trump is accused of banning immigrants and visitors from. CNN even hinted at this by noting “those countries were named in a 2016 law concerning immigration visas as ‘countries of concern.'” But why didn’t CNN note that the seven countries were not named and that in fact they are only on the list because of Obama’s policy?

https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/2...lim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/
 
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