A simple question for gun rights folk.

Taichiliberal

Taichiliberal

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I've asked this question on several on-line venues, and to date have not gotten a straight answer. But yet the question persists;

Given the recent SCOTUS ruling that effectively nullifies the New York City legal requirements to have a Carry Concealed Weapon permit, I would like to know from New York (or any state with similar laws) residents who own guns exactly what can they now do that they couldn't before? Where can they now travel, eat, work, socialize that carrying a gun allows them to do that they couldn't do before?

Simple question.
 
As far as I can tell, it doesn't change where you can legally carry, but rather makes it far easier and possible to carry. That is, NYC's permitting law was designed to prevent someone from being able to concealed carry rather than simply a legal issue that could be gotten with a reasonable degree of ease. Put another way, the law set the bar so high and the system in place was designed to reject permit requests until the person applying could somehow meet an absurdly high standard of requirements to get a permit.
 
People traveling through NYC from a concealed carry state can no longer be prosecuted for being in possession of a firearm.
 
Taichiliberal said:
I've asked this question on several on-line venues, and to date have not gotten a straight answer. But yet the question persists;

Given the recent SCOTUS ruling that effectively nullifies the New York City legal requirements to have a Carry Concealed Weapon permit, I would like to know from New York (or any state with similar laws) residents who own guns exactly what can they now do that they couldn't before? Where can they now travel, eat, work, socialize that carrying a gun allows them to do that they couldn't do before?

Simple question.
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the biggest change with the Bruen decision was forcing NY to become a shall issue state instead of a may issue. Under the 'may issue' conditions requiring a citizen to provide 'good cause' as to why it is necessary to carry a concealed weapon, it became a de facto crony privilege, not a right.

Of course new york is doing everything it can with their new law to 'comply' with the decision while thwarting it all at the same time, so it will be challenged again and NY will get spanked worse
 
Taichiliberal said:
I've asked this question on several on-line venues, and to date have not gotten a straight answer. But yet the question persists;

Given the recent SCOTUS ruling that effectively nullifies the New York City legal requirements to have a Carry Concealed Weapon permit, I would like to know from New York (or any state with similar laws) residents who own guns exactly what can they now do that they couldn't before? Where can they now travel, eat, work, socialize that carrying a gun allows them to do that they couldn't do before?

Simple question.
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nothing.

but now they have protection in all their activities.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
As far as I can tell, it doesn't change where you can legally carry, but rather makes it far easier and possible to carry. That is, NYC's permitting law was designed to prevent someone from being able to concealed carry rather than simply a legal issue that could be gotten with a reasonable degree of ease. Put another way, the law set the bar so high and the system in place was designed to reject permit requests until the person applying could somehow meet an absurdly high standard of requirements to get a permit.
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You're avoiding the question......what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
 
goat said:
People traveling through NYC from a concealed carry state can no longer be prosecuted for being in possession of a firearm.
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You're avoiding the question......what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
logically if they already own guns, reversing a law designed to prevent getting guns would have zero impact.....
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You're avoiding the question......what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
 
AssHatZombie said:
nothing.

but now they have protection in all their activities.
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I'm taking you off the ignore list in the spirit of a honest debate on this subject in this respect.

So if nothing changes in their lives, then that means that they already felt secure in whatever they were doing. So why carry a gun if you already feel secure?
 
AssHatZombie said:
ask presidents and other officials the same question.

they would give the same answer.

you're an idiot.
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Um, no genius...they wouldn't. Presidents are automatically a high profile target for enemy nations, kooks, disgruntled citizens and the like. This is why Presidents and their families are given a SECRET SERVICE detail for protection 24/7. The President and his family DO NOT CARRY GUNS ON THEIR PERSON.

"Officials" is a generic term....depending upon the "official", carrying a weapon is part of the job. Police officials, law enforcement officials due to the nature of their jobs are expected to CCW. Doctors on the whole don't CCW, neither do firemen. So you need to be very specific as to what "officials" you are talking about, because average working schmoes like you and I don't fit that criteria.

Got that, bunky?

So I'll ask again, what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the biggest change with the Bruen decision was forcing NY to become a shall issue state instead of a may issue. Under the 'may issue' conditions requiring a citizen to provide 'good cause' as to why it is necessary to carry a concealed weapon, it became a de facto crony privilege, not a right.

Of course new york is doing everything it can with their new law to 'comply' with the decision while thwarting it all at the same time, so it will be challenged again and NY will get spanked worse
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I took you off the ignore list in the spirit of my seeking a true debate from everyone.


Here, you're avoiding the question......what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
 
Taichiliberal said:
You're avoiding the question......what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
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SmarterthanYou explains it in post 5. Only people with money and a good lawyer can get a concealed carry permit in NYC. The fight started because too many people are being prosecuted for passing through NYC with a legal firearm in the trunk of their car. Boaters forced into a NYC harbor during a storm are being hauled off to jail for a licensed gun on their boat. The constitution protects freedom of movement but NYC does not.
 
goat said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You're avoiding the question......what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
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SmarterthanYou explains it in post 5. Only people with money and a good lawyer can get a concealed carry permit in NYC. The fight started because too many people are being prosecuted for passing through NYC with a legal firearm in the trunk of their car. Boaters forced into a NYC harbor during a storm are being hauled off to jail for a licensed gun on their boat. The constitution protects freedom of movement but NYC does not.
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No, he does what you do here....bitch about NOT being able to carry a gun, but NOT detailing what you couldn't do before that you feel that you can do now because you're carry a gun. Your boat example fails to address this, because clearly the vast majority of NYC or NYS boaters do so WITHOUT carrying a weapon. I have NEVER read or heard of arrested during a storm scenario your purport here. But assuming its true, why would you be boating during a storm? And why would the cops search you unless you were suspected of carrying contraband?

So please stop the dodges and diverting and just answer the question.
 
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Taichiliberal said:
I'm taking you off the ignore list in the spirit of a honest debate on this subject in this respect.

So if nothing changes in their lives, then that means that they already felt secure in whatever they were doing. So why carry a gun if you already feel secure?
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I reject this premise.

one can do the same activities, but feel safer, and actually be safer, doing them.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Um, no genius...they wouldn't. Presidents are automatically a high profile target for enemy nations, kooks, disgruntled citizens and the like. This is why Presidents and their families are given a SECRET SERVICE detail for protection 24/7. The President and his family DO NOT CARRY GUNS ON THEIR PERSON.

"Officials" is a generic term....depending upon the "official", carrying a weapon is part of the job. Police officials, law enforcement officials due to the nature of their jobs are expected to CCW. Doctors on the whole don't CCW, neither do firemen. So you need to be very specific as to what "officials" you are talking about, because average working schmoes like you and I don't fit that criteria.

Got that, bunky?

So I'll ask again, what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
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This whole new angle you've got on "activity changes" is retarded.
:tardthoughts:

:truestory:
 
Taichiliberal said:
I took you off the ignore list in the spirit of my seeking a true debate from everyone.

Here, you're avoiding the question......what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
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you'll need to be specific here......if you're talking about the OLD law, well NOW it means that the average citizen CAN carry a gun most anywhere. the NEW law, which NYS is using to thwart the Bruen decision added 2 dozen areas to their 'sensitive' list, so NOW citizens can carry fewer places without running afoul of the law.

If your intent here was to ask a question that didn't really have an answer so you could bait gun rights people in to a gotcha moment, maybe people should be adding you to their ignore list, because honest debate doesn't really seem to be your intent by 'avoiding the question' responses.
 
Taichiliberal said:
You're avoiding the question......what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
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simple minded question........ask instead what it will allow people who do not yet own guns to do before the law before the law was reversed........the answer is "get legal access to a gun"......
 
Taichiliberal said:
You're avoiding the question......what can this gun carrying law allow gun owners to do in their daily functions in society that they could not do before being allowed to CCW? Simple question.
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simple minded question........ask instead what it will allow people who do not yet own guns to do before the law before the law was reversed........the answer is "get legal access to a gun"......the ones who already owned guns obviously already had that access.....
 
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