After Christopher Dorner’s rampage, how to build community trust in police

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...8482-76c8-11e2-8f84-3e4b513b1a13_story_1.html

Police have long resisted external oversight. Some of us say that those who aren’t in uniform do not understand the intricacies of law enforcement. Won’t civilian investigators be harsher toward officers — unsympathetic to the challenges faced by beat cops battling armed bad guys?

These self-serving arguments perpetuate archaic policies. Outsourcing misconduct investigations to civilians would directly address community concerns about the “blue wall of silence.” Officers who fear retaliation for reporting misconduct would feel more comfortable working with an external agency. In this system, complaints such as Dorner’s about the vindictiveness of superiors would all but disappear.

Using sergeants and detectives as internal affairs investigators costs police departments a lot. These supervisors are paid more and have more seniority. Assigning seasoned officers to internal affairs also depletes the number of field personnel who could prevent mistakes and misconduct by patrol officers in the first place. Outsourcing misconduct investigations would be far less expensive and would let veteran supervisors do the jobs they should be doing.

And why shouldn’t every police contact with the community — every traffic stop, every interrogation — be recorded on video? If Dorner and his partner had had a cop-cam, his claim that his partner used excessive force might have been resolved the same day. There’s just no excuse for not recording police contacts with the public. Technology has made cameras effective and affordable. Some officers already record their arrests to protect themselves against false allegations of misconduct. This should be standard operating procedure.
 
Some question of civil liberties(both police and suspect), some question of feasibility, what if the officer is on foot pursuit? Beyond that there's cost and the part where some people just don't like authority at all. Like most issues in the criminal justice system there's no perfect answer and we expend hundreds of thousands sometimes millions in trying to find one.
 
Some question of civil liberties(both police and suspect), some question of feasibility, what if the officer is on foot pursuit? Beyond that there's cost and the part where some people just don't like authority at all. Like most issues in the criminal justice system there's no perfect answer and we expend hundreds of thousands sometimes millions in trying to find one.

While recording more often is a good idea, I think civilian review of investigations is a more important reform.
 
To play devil's advocate, there are some inherent problems with this as well. What if Arpiao's group became civilian investigators? The Klan? NOI?
 
Internal Affairs department are run by police officers. The DA would have the same conflict of interests.
The DA is elected by the people, not sure where you think his conflict of interest comes from, if the police aren't running good investigations his cases get thrown out by judges. IT's actually in his best interest to make sure the cops are following the rules, makes his job quite a bit easier.
 
The DA is elected by the people, not sure where you think his conflict of interest comes from, if the police aren't running good investigations his cases get thrown out by judges. IT's actually in his best interest to make sure the cops are following the rules, makes his job quite a bit easier.


It is in the DA's best interest that it appear like the cops are following the rules.
 
I'm interested about the question of the OP though, "after dorner's rampage how to build community trust in the police" interesting, after a guy goes crazy and starts shooting people, notably cops, how can we get people to have faith in cops. How about the cop's faith in people? When most people avoid and dislike the authority and go out of their way to demonstrate their distaste, isn't it a better question of how we can get the police to have faith in us? Maybe if we didn't lie to them so much...
 
I'm interested about the question of the OP though, "after dorner's rampage how to build community trust in the police" interesting, after a guy goes crazy and starts shooting people, notably cops, how can we get people to have faith in cops. How about the cop's faith in people? When most people avoid and dislike the authority and go out of their way to demonstrate their distaste, isn't it a better question of how we can get the police to have faith in us? Maybe if we didn't lie to them so much...

Well, it was cops who punished Dorner (some would say unfairly) for being a whistle blower, and then it was cops who shot up anyone and anything that might have possibly once been in the same state as someone who heard Dorners name somewhere. What police want/think means less than dick in this equation.
 
Well, it was cops who punished Dorner (some would say unfairly) for being a whistle blower, and then it was cops who shot up anyone and anything that might have possibly once been in the same state as someone who heard Dorners name somewhere. What police want/think means less than dick in this equation.
Unfortunately Dorner's credibility as any sort of witness is hampered by the fact that he later went on a shooting spree killing the daughter of his own defense attorney as well as several others... Yes, this is really the person I believe.
 
Unfortunately Dorner's credibility as any sort of witness is hampered by the fact that he later went on a shooting spree killing the daughter of his own defense attorney as well as several others... Yes, this is really the person I believe.

Never said otherwise, just stating that the duty of changing peoples minds is on cops.
 
I'm interested about the question of the OP though, "after dorner's rampage how to build community trust in the police" interesting, after a guy goes crazy and starts shooting people, notably cops, how can we get people to have faith in cops. How about the cop's faith in people? When most people avoid and dislike the authority and go out of their way to demonstrate their distaste, isn't it a better question of how we can get the police to have faith in us? Maybe if we didn't lie to them so much...
seriously? so those 6 innocent people that LAPD shot up for doing nothing more than driving a similar vehicle should just overlook the issue?
 
Unfortunately Dorner's credibility as any sort of witness is hampered by the fact that he later went on a shooting spree killing the daughter of his own defense attorney as well as several others... Yes, this is really the person I believe.
but the departments integrity is impeccable when they declare that the fire was not intentional, despite radio transmissions of their own deputies ordering it burnt????
 
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