Analysis shows Russia has lost nearly 50,000 soldiers

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Two independent Russian media outlets, Mediazona and Meduza, working with a data scientist from Germany’s Tübingen University, used Russian government data to shed light on one of Moscow’s closest-held secrets — the true human cost of its invasion of Ukraine.
Russia has publicly acknowledged the deaths of just over 6,000 soldiers.
Mediazona and the BBC’s Russian Service, working with a network of volunteers, have used social media postings and photographs of cemeteries across Russia to build a database of confirmed war deaths. As of July 7, they had identified 27,423 dead Russian soldiers.
To come up with a more comprehensive tally, journalists from Mediazona and Meduza obtained records of inheritance cases filed with the Russian authorities.
According to their analysis, 25,000 more inheritance cases were opened in 2022 for males aged 15 to 49 than expected. By May 27, 2023, the number of excess cases had shot up to 47,000.
Independently, Dmitry Kobak, a data scientist from Germany’s Tübingen University who has published work on excess COVID-19 deaths in Russia, obtained mortality data broken down by age and sex for 2022 from Rosstat, Russia’s official statistics agency.

He found that 24,000 more men under age 50 died in 2022 than expected, a figure that aligns with the analysis of inheritance data.

Read more:
https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/...-shows-russia-has-lost-nearly-50000-soldiers/
 
Turkey has agreed to back Sweden’s NATO bid, alliance chief says
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/10/politics/turkey-sweden-nato/index.html

Erdogan also supports Ukraine entry into NATO - eventually.

Ukraine ‘deserves’ NATO membership, Turkey’s Erdogan says
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...rkeys-erdogan-says?traffic_source=KeepReading

NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg announces that President Erdogan agrees to forward Sweden’s bid to Turkey’s parliament.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/10/turkeys-erdogan-agrees-to-back-swedish-nato-bid-stoltenberg
 
Seems Putin and his sputtering war machine are just not exactly getting what they wanted. NATO further expands and will expand further to include Ukraine.
 
They used a stupid analysis to get that number.

They simply looked at men under the age of 50 who died compared to previous years and assumed they died in the war.

They have no clue if they were in the military or not.

It's liberal fuzzy math.

You will also notice how they don't mention the number of Ukranians that have died.

It's a hit piece from the left, nothing more.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Remember what happened to Rome when they tried to accumulate too many territories.
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NATO countries were not invaded . They requested to be members of a defensive alliance. They don't have a single ruler.
Not sure what your point is by mentioning Rome, if there is one.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
They used a stupid analysis to get that number.

They simply looked at men under the age of 50 who died compared to previous years and assumed they died in the war.
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You think maybe there was a flu outbreak in Russia we don't know about?
Tinkerpeach said:
They have no clue if they were in the military or not.
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About 20,000 were not. They were from Russian prisons that were slaughtered in the Bakhmut turkey shoot.
Tinkerpeach said:
It's liberal fuzzy math.
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Ya think the 6,000 Russia has acknowledged is more accurate?
Tinkerpeach said:
You will also notice how they don't mention the number of Ukranians that have died.
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Yes, very noticeable. I'll post it if this type of information comes out.
 
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Tinkerpeach said:
They used a stupid analysis to get that number.

They simply looked at men under the age of 50 who died compared to previous years and assumed they died in the war.

They have no clue if they were in the military or not.

It's liberal fuzzy math.

You will also notice how they don't mention the number of Ukranians that have died.

It's a hit piece from the left, nothing more.
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Does the right want Russia to win?
 
In February 2022, Putin defined Russian victory as the conquest of Ukraine, the replacement of their government, and the demilitarization of Ukraine.

Putin hasn't come remotely close to achieving any of his stated goals. An independent Ukraine is going to continue to exist well into the foreseeable future, and will be to well armed and motivated for Putin to ever conquer. What Putin has achieved is to ensure that generations of Ukranians into the future will hate Russia with a burning passion.
 
anonymoose said:
Two independent Russian media outlets, Mediazona and Meduza, working with a data scientist from Germany’s Tübingen University, used Russian government data to shed light on one of Moscow’s closest-held secrets — the true human cost of its invasion of Ukraine.
Russia has publicly acknowledged the deaths of just over 6,000 soldiers.
Mediazona and the BBC’s Russian Service, working with a network of volunteers, have used social media postings and photographs of cemeteries across Russia to build a database of confirmed war deaths. As of July 7, they had identified 27,423 dead Russian soldiers.
To come up with a more comprehensive tally, journalists from Mediazona and Meduza obtained records of inheritance cases filed with the Russian authorities.
According to their analysis, 25,000 more inheritance cases were opened in 2022 for males aged 15 to 49 than expected. By May 27, 2023, the number of excess cases had shot up to 47,000.
Independently, Dmitry Kobak, a data scientist from Germany’s Tübingen University who has published work on excess COVID-19 deaths in Russia, obtained mortality data broken down by age and sex for 2022 from Rosstat, Russia’s official statistics agency.

He found that 24,000 more men under age 50 died in 2022 than expected, a figure that aligns with the analysis of inheritance data.

Read more:
https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/...-shows-russia-has-lost-nearly-50000-soldiers/
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This is the sort of shitty analysis that was going on in the Vietnam war era. Back then on the nightly news they'd put up the enemy body count for the day. It was always grossly exaggerated. In the Iraq war, the British journal of medicine Lancet did a similar study that was quickly demolished an grotesquely inaccurate. In fact, it was so badly inaccurate that they not only retracted the article, but apologized for even publishing it.
 
Wars are done in the fog. We have no idea how many soldiers or civilians have been killed. Generally, each side lies about its own. We also have no idea how the battles are going. We do know, if Putin did not attack Ukraine, none of this would have happened.
 
Nordberg said:
Wars are done in the fog. We have no idea how many soldiers or civilians have been killed. Generally, each side lies about its own. We also have no idea how the battles are going. We do know, if Putin did not attack Ukraine, none of this would have happened.
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And that's the main thing.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
This is the sort of shitty analysis that was going on in the Vietnam war era. Back then on the nightly news they'd put up the enemy body count for the day. It was always grossly exaggerated.
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I don't think it's fair to compare the Vietnam War propaganda to present day. These analysts are just trying to estimate the war dead of Russians. I'll admit they don't do the same with the Ukrainians. Although I bet the Ukrainians are more wiling to die for their survival. Russians have no concern about theirs.
T. A. Gardner said:
In the Iraq war, the British journal of medicine Lancet did a similar study that was quickly demolished an grotesquely inaccurate. In fact, it was so badly inaccurate that they not only retracted the article, but apologized for even publishing it.
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Which has to do with what as far as this war?
The Iraq thing (I won't call it a war) had no justification. You actually believe Ukrainians have nothing to fight for? Really?
 
Flash said:
Do you agree Russia is responsible for the war and could have been avoided without Putin's invasion?
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They invaded yes but were they responsible?

That's more complicated.

Did Japan attack us for no reason or was it because FDR forced it by cutting off all supplies to them forcing them to go on the march?

Would Putin have invaded if not for NATO trying to get a foothold there?

Would the Soviet Union have placed nukes in Cuba if Kennedy didn't put them in Turkey first?
 
Tinkerpeach said:
They invaded yes but were they responsible?

That's more complicated.

Did Japan attack us for no reason or was it because FDR forced it by cutting off all supplies to them forcing them to go on the march?

Would Putin have invaded if not for NATO trying to get a foothold there?

Would the Soviet Union have placed nukes in Cuba if Kennedy didn't put them in Turkey first?
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You list different situations. It is an internal matter if Ukraine joins NATO. We shouldn't invade other nations because we don't like their internal politics. NATO would pose no threat to Russia unless they stopped them from expanding (the purpose they were created).

Soviets didn't invade anybody in Cuba.

U. S. had no responsibility to supply energy to Japan for them to invade other Asian nations. Without Japan's expansionist policies we wouldn't have deprived them of oil and they wouldn't need to attack.
 
Flash said:
You list different situations. It is an internal matter if Ukraine joins NATO. We shouldn't invade other nations because we don't like their internal politics. NATO would pose no threat to Russia unless they stopped them from expanding (the purpose they were created).

Soviets didn't invade anybody in Cuba.

U. S. had no responsibility to supply energy to Japan for them to invade other Asian nations. Without Japan's expansionist policies we wouldn't have deprived them of oil and they wouldn't need to attack.
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We invaded Cuba because of their internal politics.

Do you remember the Bay of Pigs disaster?

We invaded Russia because of their internal politics.

Tit for Tat.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
We invaded Cuba because of their internal politics.

Do you remember the Bay of Pigs disaster?

We invaded Russia because of their internal politics.

Tit for Tat.
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Right. And the Bay of Pigs was a disaster and provided justification for Kruschev to send missiles. I'm against invading another country (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) because it never succeeds (long-term) and destroys the sovereignty of nations.

Are you referring to 1917 (?) invasion of Russia?
 
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