And people still listen to this guy?

Socrtease said:
What needs to be done is take all the statements made by right wingers about how this is all going to take care of itself and it is no big deal and play them in all the gulf coast states. Matter of fact just use the audio and show the animals and the water and the out of work fishermen.
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Well, the problem is, no right winger has said any such thing. I guess you could do one of those 'computer generated' thingies, and make it LOOK like that was what they said? I wouldn't put that past the left at all, they are probably working on it as we speak!

I say we play the day by day reports of catastrophic consequences as we show Obama doing what he has been doing the past two months... having parties with Paul McCartney, playing golf with Tiger Woods, flying around the country making campaign speeches, living it up and having a ball, while the people of the gulf coast grapple with how to cope with this. Then we can play the clips of Obama pointing his finger at BP, and his minions calling for their boots on the neck, Holder threatening legal action etc... while the BP people are shown working diligently night and day to try and stop the leak with absolutely NO help from the Federal government.

In loony tune liberal world, you may think this deal is going to somehow play in the favor of the left, but I think it is an underestimation to call it "Obama's Katrina" it's more like Obama's Iranian Hostage Crisis, circa 1979. This pontificating liberal blowhard has been exposed for the complete incompetent lack of leadership ability we should have ALL known he didn't have to begin with. Obama can't TALK the oil back into the ocean floor, THAT is his problem! The ONE thing he knows how to do best, is absolutely worthless here!
 
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Well, the problem is, no right winger has said any such thing. I guess you could do one of those 'computer generated' thingies, and make it LOOK like that was what they said? I wouldn't put that past the left at all, they are probably working on it as we speak!

I say we play the day by day reports of catastrophic consequences as we show Obama doing what he has been doing the past two months... having parties with Paul McCartney, playing golf with Tiger Woods, flying around the country making campaign speeches, living it up and having a ball, while the people of the gulf coast grapple with how to cope with this. Then we can play the clips of Obama pointing his finger at BP, and his minions calling for their boots on the neck, Holder threatening legal action etc... while the BP people are shown working diligently night and day to try and stop the leak with absolutely NO help from the Federal government.

In loony tune liberal world, you may think this deal is going to somehow play in the favor of the left, but I think it is an underestimation to call it "Obama's Katrina" it's more like Obama's Iranian Hostage Crisis, circa 1979. This pontificating liberal blowhard has been exposed for the complete incompetent lack of leadership ability we should have ALL known he didn't have to begin with. Obama can't TALK the oil back into the ocean floor, THAT is his problem! The ONE thing he knows how to do best, is absolutely worthless here!
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So, you admit that your take on everything related to this discussion is ENTIRELY partisan? That's amazing. First, I had to be taking Rush's comments out of context, even though you don't listen to him, because I'm on the left, and he's on the right. Then, you admit you carry water for big oil, because you have to, or the "left's vision" of a car-less future will prevail. Now, you expand on carrying water for big oil by claiming that Obama's hanging with McCartney has more to do with the damage than BP's carelessness & ineptitude.

What do you offer besides extreme partisan views? Why should your words here have any credibility whatsoever, when you so clearly admit the agenda behind everything you say?
 
BP Up for Safety Award

Turns out that British Petroleum was one of three finalists for a federal award honoring offshore oil companies for "outstanding safety and pollution prevention." from the Obama Administrations Department of the Interior's Minerals Management Service.

... a SAFE award.? The winner was due to be announced at the end of April or early May....

The awards ceremony has been delayed. (Good call)

I wonder if this award was due to BP passing all those inspections that the Obama admin. did on BP's operations in the Gulf???
 
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Obama was probably just trying to play to foreign countries by placing BP as a potential winner. He obviously didn't expect this shit to go down...
 
Onceler said:
So, you admit that your take on everything related to this discussion is ENTIRELY partisan? That's amazing.
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Yes, it is incredibly amazing you read me admitting that when I didn't post it. You are a regular Kreskin! I bet you already know what subject I'll post about next, even though I haven't even given it any thought yet!

First, I had to be taking Rush's comments out of context, even though you don't listen to him, because I'm on the left, and he's on the right.
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No, because you are a two-bit hack who routinely lies and distorts anything from any source on the right. You have a proven track record of this. It's not because you are on the left and he's on the right, it's because you are a dishonest unethical person who is deeply tied to your failing political ideology, desperately trying to get people to listen to you as they bail by the droves.

Then, you admit you carry water for big oil, because you have to, or the "left's vision" of a car-less future will prevail.
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Didn't admit I carried water for anyone unless they are paying me good money to do it. I don't have any oil stock, so I have no vested personal interest in the corporate aspects of big oil. What I 'admit' is that I defend them against anti-capitalist scumbuckets like you, who just as soon put them out of business with your emotional rhetoric, while not even considering the consequence.... how many jobs will be lost... how much foreign oil we will have then buy from the Arabs to replace BP's oil... the tax revenues that we'll never realize because we destroyed the cash cow... Nope, you haven't given one single solitary thought of any of this in your empty little head. You just continue to rant on with your Marxist Socialist mantra, thinking you are brilliant and the rest of us are stupid.

Now, you expand on carrying water for big oil by claiming that Obama's hanging with McCartney has more to do with the damage than BP's carelessness & ineptitude.
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Hmmm, what was BP careless about? They have been the only ones working on fixing this, with no help from the government, just obstacles and brow beating. If BP is inept, it is the President's responsibility to know this and act accordingly, since he has unlimited power to do so under the law. But I understand, he was busy, had a lot on his plate... We can't expect him to blow off vacation or hanging with McCartney to deal with this... it's just a little oil, right?

See what has happened here, in just a little over a month, you have absolutely self-brainwashed yourself! You are convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt, this was something that BP was totally to blame for and no one else, it's not even possible to blame anyone else, or anything else, it's a proven fact in your mind, this is 100% totally on BP. Never mind we have not yet completed a comprehensive investigation of what actually happened and why this oil rig inexplicably exploded and sank in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico. But now, even if the explosion and sinking were something BP was careless or inept about, what about the federal government agency charged with the oversight? Do they get a total pass on this one? Oh... from a leftist Marxist Socialist who favors government control of everything, this can't even be thunk about! No no nooooo! It's ALL BP's fault, and let's lobby the Politically Correct to join in a harmonious affirmation of THAT point!

What do you offer besides extreme partisan views? Why should your words here have any credibility whatsoever, when you so clearly admit the agenda behind everything you say?
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I don't know why my imaginary words I never seem to actually post, would have any credibility here at all! It doesn't make a lick of sense to me why they would! And yes it is quite bold of me to admit my agenda is a fair and honest evaluation of the facts, without hiding behind some completely hacked-out partisan view condemning capitalism and fostering Marxist Socialism... I know you aren't used to seeing people be so open about their agendas. Maybe that is why you are always creating things that you claim I've clearly said, when I haven't? Your brain somehow tells you to read between my lines and find the hidden meanings or something, and since I have none, your paranoia causes you to create your own! You can probably be helped with this, since we now know what is happening, why don't you ask your shrink about it?
 
WinterBorn said:
In what context could what he said be acceptable?

There have been roughly 4 million gals of oil spilled into the gulf. To try and call that "natural" or to try and excuse it by saying "the ocean will take care of its own" is just bullshit.

Not only from an environmental standpoint, but from an economic standpoint, this is an unmitigated disastor.
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i think that the total number of gallons spilled exceeds 34 million

as for the ecosystem, after the oil stops spilling, the ocean/gulf will take care of itself, just not during our lifetime or that of our children and their children, however, in the mean time we will have caused other ecological disasters

oh well
 
Dixie said:
In the context that the ocean is self-cleaning and will eventually take care of the oil, which is actually a very small amount in relation to total oil spillage in the ocean each year. That's not saying we don't need to do anything, and clean up isn't important, it certainly is, and especially where it is making contact with the coastline and killing wildlife, but the actual oil in the ocean is not as big a problem as people (mainly on the left) are making it out to be.
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Yea in about 500 fucking years. In the mean time would you like your oysters on the half shell with our with out benzene?
 
Messenger of God said:
People will always listen to these demagogues. The more outrageous and ridiculous they become, the higher their listener count will be. And when a Democrat is president they go on overdrive. God knows Clinton was as moderate as they come, maybe even center-right in any rational context, but they made him seem left of Lenin.
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That's because Clinton was viewed by southern reactionaries as an apostate and they hated the man for it. He could of been to the right of Ronald Reagan but because he was a Democrat who co-opted their agenda they still would have demonized him.
 
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Socrtease said:
What needs to be done is take all the statements made by right wingers about how this is all going to take care of itself and it is no big deal and play them in all the gulf coast states. Matter of fact just use the audio and show the animals and the water and the out of work fishermen.
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or give them a great big plate of oil contaminated oysters, with natural seepage, and let's see if they'll eat them.
 
Dixie said:
Well, the problem is, no right winger has said any such thing. I guess you could do one of those 'computer generated' thingies, and make it LOOK like that was what they said? I wouldn't put that past the left at all, they are probably working on it as we speak!

I say we play the day by day reports of catastrophic consequences as we show Obama doing what he has been doing the past two months... having parties with Paul McCartney, playing golf with Tiger Woods, flying around the country making campaign speeches, living it up and having a ball, while the people of the gulf coast grapple with how to cope with this. Then we can play the clips of Obama pointing his finger at BP, and his minions calling for their boots on the neck, Holder threatening legal action etc... while the BP people are shown working diligently night and day to try and stop the leak with absolutely NO help from the Federal government.

In loony tune liberal world, you may think this deal is going to somehow play in the favor of the left, but I think it is an underestimation to call it "Obama's Katrina" it's more like Obama's Iranian Hostage Crisis, circa 1979. This pontificating liberal blowhard has been exposed for the complete incompetent lack of leadership ability we should have ALL known he didn't have to begin with. Obama can't TALK the oil back into the ocean floor, THAT is his problem! The ONE thing he knows how to do best, is absolutely worthless here!
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So in the course of of of one thread, you've gone from saying that the ocean will clean itself, that natural seepage is basically just as bad as the BP disaster, and that in spite of some dead wildlife and oil on the beach, this really isn't as big a deal as the "left" makes it.........

......to now saying that this is Obama's katrina; a disaster of epic and historic proportions which eclipses Katrina, the Iranian hostage crises, et al.

Outstanding! Comedy gold, bro....comedy gold. :hand:

Do you actually have a principled position on anything? Or is your world view entirely defined by merely being in opposition to anything you imagine or perceive devious liberals to be doing.

There's nothing partisan about this oil spill. It's a probably going to be shown by history to systematic failure of under regulated market follies, poor engineering, the relentless drive to put quick profit over worker safety and the environment. Which is the fault both of BP and the government that was charged with oversight and making sure private industry doesn't fuck over the public welfare. History is going to view it as an indictment at all levels.

While we've spent the last three decades listening to idiots cluck about the awesomeness of the free markets, the end result of this has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans running TV ads blaming each other for this.

We're ultimately going to continue drilling offshore, and I don't think it's feasible to simply place a moratorium on all offshore drilling. I think the oil industry, under the proper and adequate oversight and regulation of public authorities and inspectors, has the capability to come up with ingenious technical solutions. The industry certainly has ramped up their technical capabilities with respect to drilling. Two decades ago it was almost unfathomable to drill 7000 feet of water, especially with precision and accuracy.

All that sane people are now asking is why safety and containment technologies didn't keep up with leading-edge drilling technology. Oh, right. Because safety and containment are just overhead - they don't create actual profits.
 
webbway said:
:D

That's the same thing I said, when I heard Obama invited James Cameron (Titanic, Avatar Movie director) to discuss strategies to solve the BP oil leak.

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Pittafull image mongering...

Sure if all Cameron were was a Movie Producer, but he is more than that... He is an expert on submersables and underwater technology. I am impressed by Obama being willing to discuss possabilities with anyone who has an intelegent option.
 
Dixie said:
In the context that the ocean is self-cleaning and will eventually take care of the oil, which is actually a very small amount in relation to total oil spillage in the ocean each year. That's not saying we don't need to do anything, and clean up isn't important, it certainly is, and especially where it is making contact with the coastline and killing wildlife, but the actual oil in the ocean is not as big a problem as people (mainly on the left) are making it out to be.
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False it is not a small amount in relation to the oil spillage in the ocean each year.... WHY DO YOU JUST MAKE SHIT UP?
 
bravo said:
Limbaugh has made the claim that more oil seeps into the Gulf of Mexico naturally, every year, than has spilled from Deepwater Horizon. As it turns out, this claim is actually true.

Oil seeps are fairly common around the world both underwater and above ground. Oil seeps occur when enough cracks and fissures form above a reservoir to enable a small quantity of oil to escape naturally. The La Brea Tar Pits in Los Angeles are a large terrestrial oil seep, and oil seeps have long been used to help identify submarine oil reserves. Oil seeps are prevalent in many bodies of water, and the Gulf of Mexico is no exception.

Oil seeps are more common than you think, both on land and underwater.

A satellite survey published in January of 2000 counted at least 600 natural oil seeps within the Gulf. And they release a lot of oil.

It is difficult to calculate underwater spill rates. Especially for 600+ sites. So the numbers here are pretty wide ranges, but the scale of the estimates is impressive.

A 2003 National Academies study estimated that about 980,000 barrels of oil, or about 41 million gallons, seep into the Gulf - every year. Recall that the Exxon Valdez is estimated to have spilled about 250,000 barrels.
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This reminds me of the time he claimed there are more trees in the United States now than in 1776. He neglected to mention that Alaska, Texas, Wyoming, California, and any other state that was not part of the origional 13 was not part of the 1776 calculation.
 
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