Ann Redington

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Is anyone else already sick of her? How many minutes are left on her 15 minute clock? (I left out the L in clock the first time I wrote it. Yeah. Do you think I would have been banned?)

And why does it have to be a woman who votes to convict and ten minutes later gets on television and says she wants a pardon? wtf?
 
never heard of her. But, I haven't watched much TV in a couple days. Was she on the Libby jury?

Yes Cypress, and she was all over television tonight. She spent just about the whole hour with Chris Matthews on Hardball. Just downright silly really, and calling for a pardon a day after returning a guilty verdict is stupid.
 
a pardon DOES NOT exonerate a person of their crimes....in fact a pardon is an admission of guilt....they are being pardoned for a CRIME that they have admitted doing is my understanding?

a pardon comutes their sentence their punishment and all that comes with it if they have gone through a trial already and does not in any way exonerate a person for their crimes, i thought?

libby is still claiming he is innocent, not accepting his guilt in the first place, so i don't see how he can be pardoned at this time....

not that he won't be...
 
A pardon fully takes away even the record of the crime. A Presidential Pardon is the same thing as if the crime never happened.
 
A pardon fully takes away even the record of the crime. A Presidential Pardon is the same thing as if the crime never happened.
No Damo IT IS NOT the same.

What is the Value of a Presidential (federal) Pardon?

First, if you were convicted of a federal or military offense you undoubtedly suffered from and may be still suffering from what are usually termed "disabilities," "civil disabilities," "legal disabilities," or less commonly, "disqualifications." That is because in addition to the sentence which is imposed upon a convicted criminal offender, numerous "civil disabilities" are also very often imposed -- perhaps always imposed.

A civil disability is the lack or absence of legal capacity to perform an act and the term is generally used to indicate an incapacity for the full enjoyment of ordinary legal rights. The term civil disability is used as equivalent to legal disability, both these expressions meaning disabilities or disqualifications created by positive law, as distinguished from physical disabilities. Disabilities may be either general or special. A disability isgeneral when it incapacitates a person for the performance of all legal acts of a general class, or giving to them their ordinary legal effect; it is special when it bars him from one specific act.

Disabilities, which have a serious adverse affect on an offender both during his confinement and after his release or discharge from probation or parole, include denial of such privileges as voting, holding public office, obtaining many jobs and occupational licenses, entering legally-enforceable agreements, maintaining family relationships, and obtaining insurance and pension benefits. For example, a very common and well-known form of civil disability resulting from a conviction of driving under the influence of alcohol is the revocation or suspension of one's privilege to drive a motor vehicle. Another commonly known legal disability is the one that forbids a person convicted of a felony from possessing a firearm under penalty of additional criminal liability.

The significance of a presidential pardon is that it removes or eliminates all disabilities that arise from the federal or military offense that is the subject of the pardon.

Secondly, as a result of an appropriations restriction of the U.S. Congress now imbodied in Public Law 109-Stat.468, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms ("ATF"), a division of the U.S. Department of Treasury, has been ordered to expend no public funds on what used to be called the Restoration of Disabilities Program. As a result, ATF cannot currently process applications of people convicted of federal felonies for restoration of the federal firearms privilege. At least for the moment then, this apparently leaves the presidential pardon process as the exclusive avenue for a person convicted of a federal felony offense to regain both state and federal firearm privileges that were lost because of the federal or military conviction. At least one California Court of Appeals has, in the Bradford case, expressly recognized the presidential pardon as eliminating certain state disabilities of this type, such as prospective criminal liability under the California "felon with a gun" statute.

An additional reason for seeking a pardon, as in mountain climbing, is "...because it is there." Do you really want to go to your grave without having done everything in your power to correct your mistake? Will the good in you be "... interred with your bones?" Do you want your grandchildren to know of you only as the "bank embezzler," or "the guy who ripped off the savings and loan?" To put it concisely, you may have the desire to "clear your name" in a general sense, to the fullest extent that you are legally able to do so.

There is much, much more on this if you are interested... I would suggest you google it! :)
 
Also there is this:

Sec. 1.2 Eligibility for filing petition for pardon.

No petition for pardon should be filed until the expiration of a waiting period of at least five years after the date of the release of the petitioner from confinement or, in case no prison sentence was imposed, until the expiration of a period of at least five years after the date of the conviction of the petitioner. Generally, no petition should be submitted by a person who is on probation, parole, or supervised release.
 
It's a little confusing...but now that I have read up on it...

HOW did Ford have the power to pardon Nixon, when Nixon was in the impeachment process and the Constitution says specifically that the president can not pardon anyone that has been impeached?

was it because the impeachment of Nixon was not complete because he resigned?

And how come he did not have to wait the 5 years for the pardon which is in federal statute?
 
And there is this from the supreme court:

The United States Supreme Court has held that a pardon can be rejected, must be affirmatively accepted to be effective, and that acceptance carries with it an admission of guilt. Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915). That Richard M. Nixon accepted his pardon is noted by Justice Stevens (the only Supreme Court justice appointed by President Gerald Ford) in his concurring opinion in Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, 433 U.S. 425 (1977).

The pardon power of the President extends only to offenses cognizable under U.S. Federal law.
 
Her point is legally sound. A jury's duty is to determine guilt or not. I jury should never pardon a defendant, they do it sometimes... but its overeaching.
 
When you have received a Pardon you are no longer required to put on a background check that you have been convicted of a crime.

Accepting a pardon may have as part of it an acceptance of guilt, but it clears your record.

Anyway a Pardon is the forgiveness of the crime and its penalties, Clemency is lessening of the sentence but not forgiveness for a crime. A person who is pardoned for his crimes no longer has to put on a job application form, for instance, that he has been convicted. This is why many seek the Pardon after the fact of serving their time. If it were not the case there would be no valid reason to seek the Pardon after the time had been served, but in the vast majority of cases Pardons are granted after the recipient has served their time.
 
It's a little confusing...but now that I have read up on it...

HOW did Ford have the power to pardon Nixon, when Nixon was in the impeachment process and the Constitution says specifically that the president can not pardon anyone that has been impeached?

was it because the impeachment of Nixon was not complete because he resigned?

And how come he did not have to wait the 5 years for the pardon which is in federal statute?

I still haven't figured this one out yet, need to google some more on it...

but from what I have read so far, I think that Nixon's impeachment was not what he was pardoned for becasue the impeachment process was stopped when he resigned, but he was pardoned for the criminal crimes that he would have been charged with after he left office?
 
Her point is legally sound. A jury's duty is to determine guilt or not. I jury should never pardon a defendant, they do it sometimes... but its overeaching.

huh? A jury CAN NOT PARDON anyone....what are you talking about Alex? Or did I misunderstand?

A jury could find him not guilty....but pardon him???????????

This woman said outright that Libby was guilty as charged....but personally, she thought it would be more exciting and FUN to see Bush pardon him...

Which was stupid, but Chris Matthews pressed her on it, so she said yea, but she also said that this was NOT the job of the jury.
 
I still haven't figured this one out yet, need to google some more on it...

but from what I have read so far, I think that Nixon's impeachment was not what he was pardoned for becasue the impeachment process was stopped when he resigned, but he was pardoned for the criminal crimes that he would have been charged with after he left office?


Nixon was never impeached. I did not know the Constitution limits the power of pardons when it comes to those who have been impeached?

Nixon was never charged with crimes, but he was going to be. Ford Pardoned him before they brought any charges against him.
 
huh? A jury CAN NOT PARDON anyone....what are you talking about Alex? Or did I misunderstand?

A jury could find him not guilty....but pardon him???????????

This woman said outright that Libby was guilty as charged....but personally, she thought it would be more exciting and FUN to see Bush pardon him...

Which was stupid, but Chris Matthews pressed her on it, so she said yea, but she also said that this was NOT the job of the jury.


A Jury cannot offically Pardon someone, but they can find someone "not-guilty" even though they belive beyond a reasonable doubt that they are guilty, which is what a lot of lawyers call a jury pardon. Juries do this out of simpathy, disagreement with the law, dislike of the prosecutor.. all kinds of reasons.

The judge, at least here in Florida, instructs them not to do it, and that to do so would be a miscarrage of the law.
 
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