another tragedy by zappas responsible gun owners

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SmarterthanYou

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at least this only cost the taxpayers 2.3 million

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/04/record_settlement_in_portland.html

The city of Portland will pay $2.3 million to settle a federal lawsuit filed after Police Officer Dane Reister wounded William Kyle Monroe in 2011 when he mistakenly fired lethal rounds at him from a beanbag shotgun.

The suit alleged that the police chief could have prevented such a mistake by prohibiting officers from mixing lethal ammunition with less-lethal munitions in their duty bags, as Reister did. Further, the suit contended that the bureau had failed to adequately discipline officers who are "pre-disposed" to using excessive force.

Reister grabbed his beanbag shotgun from his car, and two more officers arrived.

Monroe assured police he hadn't done anything wrong as he backed away and then began running and yelled for help. Without warning, the suit says, Reister fired five times, emptying his clip. The fifth round jammed because of Reister's "excessively rapid firing," the suit says.

Five years earlier, the suit noted, Reister mistakenly fired a loaded riot-suppression launcher during training, injuring an officer posing as a protester with a smoke round.

The suit had called for Reister to lose his job. That's not part of the proposed settlement, Tienson said.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
at least this only cost the taxpayers 2.3 million

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/04/record_settlement_in_portland.html

The city of Portland will pay $2.3 million to settle a federal lawsuit filed after Police Officer Dane Reister wounded William Kyle Monroe in 2011 when he mistakenly fired lethal rounds at him from a beanbag shotgun.

The suit alleged that the police chief could have prevented such a mistake by prohibiting officers from mixing lethal ammunition with less-lethal munitions in their duty bags, as Reister did. Further, the suit contended that the bureau had failed to adequately discipline officers who are "pre-disposed" to using excessive force.

Reister grabbed his beanbag shotgun from his car, and two more officers arrived.

Monroe assured police he hadn't done anything wrong as he backed away and then began running and yelled for help. Without warning, the suit says, Reister fired five times, emptying his clip. The fifth round jammed because of Reister's "excessively rapid firing," the suit says.

Five years earlier, the suit noted, Reister mistakenly fired a loaded riot-suppression launcher during training, injuring an officer posing as a protester with a smoke round.

The suit had called for Reister to lose his job. That's not part of the proposed settlement, Tienson said.
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WOW...another "responsible" gun owner didn't keep the different types of ammo separated and now he's going to get sued.


"Officer Dane Reister wounded William Kyle Monroe in 2011 when he mistakenly fired lethal rounds at him from a beanbag shotgun."


Boo.


Hoo.


Hoo!
 
ZappasGuitar said:
WOW...another "responsible" gun owner didn't keep the different types of ammo separated and now he's going to get sued.


"Officer Dane Reister wounded William Kyle Monroe in 2011 when he mistakenly fired lethal rounds at him from a beanbag shotgun."


Boo.


Hoo.


Hoo!
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not bothering to read the article, as in the part where the CITY got sued, not the officer. qualified immunity.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Except he wasn't responsible enough to properly store the different types of ammo he was carrying, now was he?
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But isn't that all part of the fraidy cat agenda? Only the police and military are well trained enough to have firearms. We, the people, should just dial 911 and to god that the police show up before our family is killed, or worse.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
aren't they trained to be the experts though?
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The suit alleged that the police chief could have prevented such a mistake by prohibiting officers from mixing lethal ammunition with less-lethal munitions in their duty bags, as Reister did.


And since the officer wasn't following the guidelines set by his superior, his training failed him.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
The suit alleged that the police chief could have prevented such a mistake by prohibiting officers from mixing lethal ammunition with less-lethal munitions in their duty bags, as Reister did.


And since the officer wasn't following the guidelines set by his superior, his training failed him.
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yes, and this person almost died due to that 'failure of training'. so how is it that the 'trained experts' can make a mistake, they just get to pay money to the victim, but us civilians make a mistake and we get to go to jail? doesn't that seem a little backwards to you?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
yes, and this person almost died due to that 'failure of training'. so how is it that the 'trained experts' can make a mistake, they just get to pay money to the victim, but us civilians make a mistake and we get to go to jail? doesn't that seem a little backwards to you?
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They are paid to enforce the peace...YOU are not.
 
Yes, it was a tragic accident and sad.

It's also totally different than a dumbfuck buying his five year old a shotgun and leaving him alone with it to blast his fucking sister.
 
Ok. I'll give that the officer was irresponsible. Take away his gun.

While we're at it, take away the guns of every parent who doesn't keep a lock on their gun and keep the gun locked away from children.

Let's make sure, also, that anyone who has a gun stolen from their home or vehicle never has another one.
 
Howey said:
Ok. I'll give that the officer was irresponsible. Take away his gun.

While we're at it, take away the guns of every parent who doesn't keep a lock on their gun and keep the gun locked away from children.

Let's make sure, also, that anyone who has a gun stolen from their home or vehicle never has another one.
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so you would make people pay for being victims of a crime?
 
Howey said:
Ok. I'll give that the officer was irresponsible. Take away his gun.

While we're at it, take away the guns of every parent who doesn't keep a lock on their gun and keep the gun locked away from children.

Let's make sure, also, that anyone who has a gun stolen from their home or vehicle never has another one.
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You know, that's the best damn idea I've heard regarding gun ownership since this whole debate started.

If you're irresponsible enough that you cant keep your weapons safely secured and they get stolen, then you give up the right to ever own a gun again.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
So it's your contention that anyone who receives training, never ever makes a mistake again?

EVER?
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obtuse much? If they are TRAINED, they shouldn't make mistakes. If they make mistakes, they should pay the penalty. That penalty should at least be the same penalty that an untrained person would make, SINCE THEY HAVE TRAINING!!!!!!!!

as an air traffic controller, if I made a mistake that cost lives, I lose my job. If a cop makes a mistake and a life is lost, he gets qualified immunity because he had to make a 'split second decision', but we were both trained to make split second decisions. can you not see the difference? or do you with to remain obtuse about it?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You know, that's the best damn idea I've heard regarding gun ownership since this whole debate started.

If you're irresponsible enough that you cant keep your weapons safely secured and they get stolen, then you give up the right to ever own a gun again.
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again, you'd make a crime victim pay for being a victim???? would you make a robbery victim pay by never carrying anything of value again?
 
I must admit, I would be fine with these parents forfeiting their rights to own a gun. If you leave a loaded gun out so that a 5 year old can kill a 2 year old, you have failed as a parent and a gun owner.
 
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