Anti-Choice women have abortions too... but their circumstances are always "Special"

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Anti-Choice women have abortions too... but their circumstances are always "Special"

http://atheism.about.com/b/2005/05/11/anti-choice-women-who-have-abortions.htm

Anti-Choice Women Who Have Abortions
It might seem incredible, but apparently many anti-abortion women and activists have abortions. Why? There also appears to be a common rationalization that their situation is unique and justifies an abortion, but everyone else is a slut and therefore abortion should be illegal. Rational? No - but then, neither is the anti-choice movement in the first place.

Pro-Choice Network has some quotes from abortion providers:

"I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, 'You're not going to tell them, are you!?' When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn't want this to interfere with it." (Physician, Texas)

"The sister of a Dutch bishop in Limburg once visited the abortion clinic in Beek where I used to work in the seventies. After entering the full waiting room she said to me, 'My dear Lord, what are all those young girls doing here?' 'Same as you', I replied. 'Dirty little dames,' she said." (Physician, The Netherlands)

Sometimes, abortion providers refuse to do abortions for anti-abortion activists who are obviously not psychologically or emotionally ready for the procedure:

"Recently, we had a patient who had given a history of being a 'pro-life' activist, but who had decided to have an abortion. She was pleasant to me and our initial discussion was mutually respectful. Later, she told someone on my staff that she thought abortion is murder, that she is a murderer, and that she is murdering her baby. So before doing her procedure, I asked her if she thought abortion is murder -- the answer was yes. I asked her if she thought I am a murderer, and if she thought I would be murdering her baby, and she said yes. But murder is a crime, and murderers are executed. Is this a crime? Well, it should be, she said. At that point, she became angry and hostile, and the summary of the conversation was that she regarded me as an abortion-dispensing machine, and how dare I ask her what she thinks. After explaining to her that I do not perform abortions for people who think I am a murderer or people who are angry at me, I declined to provide her with medical care. I do not know whether she found someone else to do her abortion." (Physician, Colorado)

"Sometimes I say to patients who have that 'I have no choice, I know I'll regret it, just do me' attitude: 'You may not care, but we do. We only do abortions on women who want our services. We will not knowingly contribute to any possible trauma of any woman.' They seem surprised that we care how we do our work, but they also accept it." (Counselor, New York)

Often, the women claim that only they have a right and justification for an abortion, but no one else:

"We have anti-choice women in for abortions all the time. Many of them are just naive and ignorant until they find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy. Many of them are not malicious. They just haven't given it the proper amount of thought until it completely affects them. They can be judgmental about their friends, family, and other women. Then suddenly they become pregnant. Suddenly they see the truth. That it should only be their own choice. Unfortunately, many also think that somehow they are different than everyone else and they deserve to have an abortion, while no one else does." (Physician, Washington State)

"In 1990, in the Boston area, Operation Rescue and other groups were regularly blockading the clinics, and many of us went every Saturday morning for months to help women and staff get in. As a result, we knew many of the 'antis' by face. One morning, a woman who had been a regular 'sidewalk counselor' went into the clinic with a young woman who looked like she was 16-17, and obviously her daughter. When the mother came out about an hour later, I had to go up and ask her if her daughter's situation had caused her to change her mind. 'I don't expect you to understand my daughter's situation!' she angrily replied. The following Saturday, she was back, pleading with women entering the clinic not to 'murder their babies.'" (Clinic escort, Massachusetts)

"When a patient comes in with my 'favorite' sentiment: 'The only moral abortion is my abortion,' I try to expand her understanding that a few more of us have had and deserve a 'moral' abortion. When a woman expands her need for care beyond herself, you no longer have an 'anti'." (Clinic Administrator, Louisiana)

Occasionally, the need to have an abortion causes a change of heart in anti-choice activists:

A Louisiana patient who was anti-choice before her abortion, wrote a warm and grateful thank-you letter to the clinic, admitting that she had been a hypocrite: "I never dreamed, in my wildest nightmares, that there would ever be a situation where I personally would choose such an act. Of course, we would each like to think that our reasons for a termination are the exception to the rule. But the bottom line is that you people spend your lives, reputations, careers and energy fighting for, maintaining, and providing an option that I needed, while I spent my energy lambasting you. Yet you still allowed me to make use of your services even though I had been one of your enemies. You treated us as kindly and warmly as you did all of your patients and never once pointed an 'I told you so' finger in our direction. I got the impression that you cared equally about each woman in the facility and what each woman was going through, regardless of her reasons for choosing the procedure. I have never met a group of purely non-judgmental people like yourselves."

Unfortunately, most of the stories of anti-choice activists having abortions end with the activist appearing outside the clinic to picket the next day, or screaming at other patients that they are murderers. It's pathetic, really.
 
I think if a woman does not want her child it should be transferred to an incubation chamber similar to the contraption in the MATRIX where Keanu woke up covered with goo.
 
We have incubation chambers ?

Umm Asshat, that was just a movie...well I think so anyway.

I beleive it's totally within our capacity to build one. We probably have. It's just top secret and used to grow cia clones for black ops.
 
Trap! Trap! Gotcha alert!

Some sort of illogical strawman on the way!
You know I actually thought you'd do this. So predictable.
And yes it was a trap because just yesterday Watermark was ranting against people who forgo immunizations as murderers. He was clearing showing himself to be AGAINST people having control over what they do to their own body.
And here he is not, he's just another lefty hypocrite.
 
The case being.............

I am pro-life...make no bones about it!...The difference being that abortion was acceptable(Mitigating circumstances) pre...Roe vs....The difference... it is between the woman and our maker if the abortion is for medical reasons...a threat to the mother or baby... Incest and rape...now in the case of pro-choice they believe they can eliminate the fetus for any reason under the sun...ie:Makes me fat,can't go to the Bahamas and wear a Bikini,The child I want is not the gender I want...it will interfer with my career etc etc...well boys and girls there is such a thing as preventitive measures...the pill,condums etc...


Laziness does not allow/excuse for one to say hey I goofed...kill the baby...end of story!
 
"You know I actually thought you'd do this. So predictable.
And yes it was a trap"

Sooooo....I was right, wasn't I?
 
"You know I actually thought you'd do this. So predictable.
And yes it was a trap"

Sooooo....I was right, wasn't I?
Um, yes you were right about warning him of a trap he had basically already fallen into, knowing his views as I already do.
But why bother though? To give him the oppurtunity to lie and pretend he is not pro-life just so he can avoid the hypocrisy trap?
I mean what is your motive? Let him stand on his own opinions and face the hypocrisy charges that result with honesty.

* Cue Lorax rant over seeing the word 'honesty' with lecturing me and avoiding the rest of what I said *
 
Um, yes you were right about warning him of a trap he had basically already fallen into, knowing his views as I already do.
But why bother though? To give him the oppurtunity to lie and pretend he is not pro-life just so he can avoid the hypocrisy trap?
I mean what is your motive? Let him stand on his own opinions and face the hypocrisy charges that result with honesty.

* Cue Lorax rant over seeing the word 'honesty' with lecturing me and avoiding the rest of what I said *

Well, to start with, I thought it was funny that you said "so predictable," in a derisive kinda way, when you were doing pretty much exactly what I knew you were doing. Isn't THAT a little predictable, DeMano?

Second, I think this thread - which you tried to veer off-topic with your usual gotcha toward the messenger, and not the message - is very interesting, and helps to confirm something I have known about the alleged "pro life" movement for a long, long time.

Third, I honestly don't think there is any comparison whatsoever between innoculations that help prevent a widespread public health hazard, and forcing a woman to carry a baby 9 months to term.

Any other strawmen or individual "gotcha's" you'd like to try your hand at? As usual, you've had a pretty bad week on the board....
 
You know what is annoying about this usc? If I said this about men, Dano would immediately sign in to call me a man-hater, a bitch, and a dominatrix who only wants to date liberal men because they are “weak and whiny”. And Top would be tripping over him in his attempt to get on here first to claim this “proves” that I am a “duble digitir” who hates men because I’m too fat to get one of them. But it’s ok when you say this, or Dano claims that women are either “whiny” or “bitchy”.

I feel that there is a double standard at play, but perhaps that is because I am hyped up on sugar from the ½ dozen krispy kremes I ate for lunch? A girl has to work to keep this figure you know! So I might be delirious and have no idea what I am saying. Who knows.
 
You know what is annoying about this usc? If I said this about men, Dano would immediately sign in to call me a man-hater, a bitch, and a dominatrix who only wants to date liberal men because they are “weak and whiny”. And Top would be tripping over him in his attempt to get on here first to claim this “proves” that I am a “duble digitir” who hates men because I’m too fat to get one of them. But it’s ok when you say this, or Dano claims that women are either “whiny” or “bitchy”.

I feel that there is a double standard at play, but perhaps that is because I am hyped up on sugar from the ½ dozen krispy kremes I ate for lunch? A girl has to work to keep this figure you know! So I might be delirious and have no idea what I am saying. Who knows.


No, it looks pretty spot on to me. Oh, and flip side is that the women that assert control are "bitches."
 
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