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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/co...al-police-response-to-legal-field-sports.html



By Jasper Copping
Published: 8:45AM GMT 20 Dec 2009
Kenneth Wilson
Kenneth Wilson, who was shooting pigeons legally, was arrested when trespassers who were trying to view a crop circle called police to report a gun being used in the field Photo: M and Y

Shooting groups are reporting a growing number of cases where officers in armed response vehicles and helicopters are swooping on people who are legally shooting.

In many cases, the shooters are arrested and have had their guns seized. They are sometimes locked up and have their DNA taken, before police accept their error.

The Countryside Alliance has described as "hysterical", the "massive overreaction" by officers, while the British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) has warned that an incident could lead to a lawful shooter being killed by police marksmen.

The problem has become so great, that the field sports' bible, Shooting Times, has launched an initiative – called the Campaign for Common Sense – to urge police to improve their dealings with field sports enthusiasts. The publication has also submitted a dossier detailing its complaints and proposals to a recent consultation by the National Police Improvement Agency (NPIA) on police firearm use.

The magazine's news editor, Selena Masson, said: "The police response is completely out of sync with what is actually going on. They send helicopters and up to half a dozen police vehicles, at astronomical cost to the taxpayer. They manhandle shooters, throw them in the cells and take DNA fingerprints, despite the fact that these people have permission and all the relevant documentation."

Christopher Graffius, from the BASC, said: "It doesn't take a lot of imagination to imagine a scene where armed police are called out going horribly wrong. The shooters' lives are at risk. I don't think many police forces have developed procedures to deal with this issue. They need to do so."

He said in his wildfowling club, in the north west, that Merseyside Police had sent an armed response unit in a helicopter in pursuit of wildfowlers on a tidal marsh up to a mile from land, who were shooting legally. The gunmen were forced back to land and interviewed by the police before being released.

In another case, earlier this month, Durham Police sent a helicopter to a spot near Bishop Auckland after a member of the public had reported seeing two men shooting geese at a lake. Instructions from the helicopter ordered the men to meet officers in a nearby village.

Two dead geese and the weapons were later seized from them, although officers later realised the pair had permission to shoot in the area and licences for the firearms.

In July, Kenneth Wilson, 63, and his brother Sid, 65, a former police firearms officer, had permission to shoot pigeon on farmland near Devizes, Wiltshire, when trespassers who were trying to view a crop circle called police to report a gun being used in the field.

A helicopter arrived, along with three squad cars carrying armed police, who arrested Kenneth Wilson. All charges against him were eventually dropped and his seized guns were returned.

He said: "The police dealt with this situation appallingly. It should have been resolved there and then in the field. There is nothing illegal about what I did that day. I have been shooting for more than 30 years and comply with firearms law and all safety practices. The way I was treated by the police was utterly humiliating."

In October, Graham Simmonds, a pest controller, was arrested despite notifying police in advance that he was intending to carry out a legal pigeon cull with an air gun at a shopping centre in Havant, Hampshire, in the early hours of the morning.

Simon Hart, chief executive of the Countryside Alliance, said: "Of course there are times when legitimate shooting might reasonably be confused with illegal shooting, especially at night, but there are many stories of unreasonable reaction to responsible shooting."

Richard Crompton, chief constable of Lincolnshire Police and lead for Rural Affairs for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "Considering the popularity of shooting in the countryside, complaints of this nature are extremely rare. We have a very good relationship with the BASC but this issue has never been raised with us. I would be more than happy to discuss any concerns they have."
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Ignoring my love for guns, this should seem like a serious invasion of a persons rights regardless of whether you like guns or not, and regardless of whether or not you're an American. And hopefully such a thing never takes place here.
 
Brits are way more civilized than Americans. Let me guess, they don't have trailer parks or NASCAR?
 
Topspin said:
Brits are way more civilized than Americans. Let me guess, they don't have trailer parks or NASCAR?
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No, but they do have bad teeth, those weird gang-ish kids wearing jogging suits, and some of the worst food you can imagine.

But the way the police reacted to these situations is a bad joke.
 
WinterBorn said:
No, but they do have bad teeth, those weird gang-ish kids wearing jogging suits, and some of the worst food you can imagine.

But the way the police reacted to these situations is a bad joke.
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lol on the teeth, they kill dentist over their. And they do seem to get fashion advice from Borat.
 
You, Toppy, who rant and rave everyday about not only a waste of tax dollars but harmless citizens being jailed for trivial crimes (pot), AGREE with the practices of England as mentioned in this article?
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
You, Toppy, who rant and rave everyday about not only a waste of tax dollars but harmless citizens being jailed for trivial crimes (pot), AGREE with the practices of England as mentioned in this article?
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It's very quick and easy to google the UK's murders.
Here's a tip, it's way way less than 17,000
Key diference, every douchebag with an IQ above room temperature doesn't have a gun.:clink:
 
Topspin said:
It's very quick and easy to google the UK's murders.
Here's a tip, it's way way less than 17,000
Key diference, every douchebag with an IQ above room temperature doesn't have a gun.:clink:
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You can also google the fact that our NON-gun murders (which account for about 40% of our total rate) are higher than their total murder rate. You can google the fact that violent crime, especially burglary, is on the rise on the UK. And finally you can google the fact that over the past century, from when the Brits could mail order machine guns to today, their average murder rate is the same year after year for over 100 years.

So it's ok to violate a persons civil liberties (because, as I said in the beginning, this isn't about guns) for not breaking the law?
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
Ignoring my love for guns, this should seem like a serious invasion of a persons rights regardless of whether you like guns or not, and regardless of whether or not you're an American. And hopefully such a thing never takes place here.
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First, it's the UK. they have no rights, only privileges that are granted after the fact.

Second, this is exactly what the libs and anti gunners like topspin want to see in this country, except some of them would rather that the police response was even swifter and deadlier.

Third, eventually this is going to end up with someone dead, at which point i'm sure watermark will chime in about dead republicans being a good thing and we should all shut up.
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
You can also google the fact that our NON-gun murders (which account for about 40% of our total rate) are higher than their total murder rate. You can google the fact that violent crime, especially burglary, is on the rise on the UK. And finally you can google the fact that over the past century, from when the Brits could mail order machine guns to today, their average murder rate is the same year after year for over 100 years.

So it's ok to violate a persons civil liberties (because, as I said in the beginning, this isn't about guns) for not breaking the law?
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its useless to argue with toppie over the issue of guns. He could care less if 90 year old grandmothers and 12 year old girls are raped repeatedly, just so long as nobody is killed with a gun.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
First, it's the UK. they have no rights, only privileges that are granted after the fact.
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I know this is hard to believe, but the Brits do have a constitution and enumerated rights, they just didn't realize it in time. Freedom isn't as much of their culture like it is ours, or their oppressed neighbors, the Irish.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
its useless to argue with toppie over the issue of guns. He could care less if 90 year old grandmothers and 12 year old girls are raped repeatedly, just so long as nobody is killed with a gun.
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I care that your a moron who doesn't believe in education.

I think criminals should have their guns removed first, then yours.
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
By wasting their tax payers money on such things and violating their tax payers rights? What makes that smarter?
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It simply is evidence that people are ever willing to sell freedom for security and is the reason that government action is so often following a drive to make the population fear something.

I prefer to take the risk on and hold my personal freedoms dear.
 
The nine groups in the political typology are defined by their beliefs and values, not by their demographic characteristics. Yet each group has a distinctly different demographic profile, which in some cases bears little resemblance to those of their ideological and political allies. For example, Enterprisers have by far the highest percentage of men of any group (76%), while the other two GOP groups are majority female (62% Pro-Government Conservatives, 58% Social Conservatives). (For more on the demographics of the typology, see pg. 66)

On the other hand, Enterprisers and Liberals * whose political opinions mix no better than oil and water * have a surprising amount of common ground both economically and educationally. These groups are the wealthiest and best educated in the typology. Roughly four-in-ten Enterprisers and Liberals (41% each) have annual household incomes of at least $75,000; only the Upbeats (39%) have about as many people in that income category.

Liberals have the highest education level of any typology group * 49% are college graduates and 26% have some postgraduate education. But the Enterprisers also include a relatively high percentage of college graduates (46%), although fewer Enterprisers than Liberals have attended graduate school (14%).

Pro-Government Conservatives stand out among Republican groups for their modest incomes. About half (49%) have annual household incomes of less than $30,000; just 13% of Enterprisers and 26% of Social Conservatives have incomes in that range. Pro-Government Conservatives' annual household incomes are comparable to those of Disadvantaged Democrats and Bystanders, and much lower than those of other GOP groups.

Huge disparities in education also divide both Democratic and Republican typology groups. Just 13% of Disdvantaged Democrats have completed college (9% college grads, 4% postgraduate), compared with nearly half of Liberals. Educational differences between Liberals and Conservative Democrats are nearly as large (49% vs. 16%).


Among Republicans, just 15% of Pro-Government Conservatives have completed college, compared with 45% of Enterprisers. There also are wide disparities in education among the three independent groups, with Upbeats (37%) far more likely to have completed college than Bystanders (13%) or Disaffecteds (11%).

Marriage and Children
 
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