Armageddon? Flee to the hills and avoid the who tribulation

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1. The name of the battle is NOT “Armageddon” or “the battle of Armageddon.” It’s “the battle on the great day of God Almighty” (Rev. 16:14). Armageddon is the location of this battle. Big difference!

2. The location is NOT in Israel’s largest valley, 50 miles north of Jerusalem, as is commonly thought. Yet this 20-mile long and 14-mile wide valley (presently known as the Valley of Jezreel or the Plain of Megiddo) remains one of the popular stops on most tours of Israel. According to Scripture, the location of this battle “in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon/Megiddo” (Rev. 16:16). But “har” is the Hebrew word for mountain. A mountain is the exact opposite in meaning from a valley.2Since in Hebrew the ‘h’ is silent, the Greek rending became “Armageddon.”

3. This battle is part of the whole prophecy of the book of Revelation. According to Revelation itself, its whole prophecy were things that “would shortly take place” (Rev. 1:1; 22:6), were “at hand” (Rev. 1:3; 22:10), and were obeyable, heedable, keepable (Rev. 1:3; 22:7) in the lives of this book’s original recipients in that 1st Century time frame.

4. Likewise, the whole of this prophecy was not to be sealed up (Rev. 22:10). But LaHaye and Jenkins have, in essence, sealed it up for over nineteen centuries and counting via their postponement interpretation. Now, however, they want to unseal it by claiming that these events will finally and soon occur in our day and time.

5. A strong case can be made that the book of Revelation was written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in A.D. 70.3

6. Har-Magedon/Megiddo, where this great end-time battle takes place, is a composite name and, most likely, symbolic. It is contained in a book filled with signs and symbols. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to conclude that it, too, is symbolic of a real battle. BAGD rightly recognizes that “Armageddon is a mystic place-name” and “has been identified with Megiddo and Jerusalem.” Yet they lament that “its interpretation is beset with difficulties that have not yet been surmounted.” 4 Or, have they? Read on.

7. The most likely case is that Revelation’s “Har” is Jerusalem. Geographically, Jerusalem sits on top of a mountain. To get there from any direction one must go “up to Jerusalem” (2 Sam. 19:34; 1 Ki. 12:28; 2 Ki. 18:17; 2 Chron. 2:16; Ezra 1:3; 7:7; Zech. 14:17; Matt. 20:17, 18; Mark 10:32, 33; Luke 18:31; 19:28; John 2:13; 5:1; Acts 11:2; 15:2; 21:12, 15; 24:11; 25:9; Gal. 1:17, 18). Jerusalem is also called God’s “holy mountain” (Psa. 43:3) and the “chief among the mountains” (Isa. 2:2-3; also 14:13; Exod. 15:17; Joel 2:32; 3:16-17).

8. Based on other Scriptures, one can also make a case for “Magedon/Megiddo” pointing to Jerusalem. During the time of Jesus and Revelation’s subsequent writing, large crowds of devout Jews would gather three times a year to celebrate their religious feasts in this central city. Other related Hebrew terms support this identification:

Har Mo’edh, the mount of assembly

Ar himdah, God’s city of desire

Har migdo, His fruitful mountain (Mount Zion)

megiddow, rendezvous – from gadad, to crowd, assemble, gather.

9. “Magedon/Megiddo” may also be comparative imagery. A great slaughter once took place in the valley of Megiddo (2 Ki. 9:27; Zech. 12:11). Throughout ancient history, this valley was also a favorite corridor for invading armies and the scene of numerous famous battles (Jud. 4-7; 1 Sam. 29-31; 2 Sam. 4; 1 Ki. 9:15; 2 Ki. 9-10; 22; 2 Chron. 35). So much blood was shed in this valley of Jezreel or Megiddo that it became a synonym for slaughter, violence, bloodshed, and battlefield, as well as a symbol for God’s judgment (Hos. 1:4-5). In our day, Armageddon has also become synonymous with and a symbol for the ultimate in warfare and conflict.

In a similar fashion, the word “Waterloo” has garnered a symbolic use. Back in 1815, this town in Belgium was the battleground and scene of Napoleon’s final defeat. Today, we have a saying that some one or some thing has met their “Waterloo.” We don’t mean they have met that city in Europe. We mean, by way of comparative imagery, that they have met a decisive or crushing defeat, or their demise. I suggest Revelation employs the word Magedon/Megiddo in this same manner.

10. History records that a great slaughter took place on a mountain in Palestine within the lifetime of the original recipients of the book of Revelation. In A.D. 70 the Roman armies of Titus totally destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. According to Eusebius, 1.1million Jews were killed. Even more perished in the Galilean fighting, died of starvation or disease, and/or were taken into captivity.

This event was certainly a judgment of God. I submit that it was more than that. First, it was a day of the Lord judgment of God and in keeping with Jehovah God’s many comings “on the clouds” in day-of-the-Lord judgments in Old Testament times:

Isaiah 13:10, 13—judgment of Babylon (539 B.C.)

Isaiah 34:4—judgment of Edom (late 6th century B.C.)

Ezekiel 32:7—judgment of Egypt (568 B.C.)

Nahum 1:5—judgment of Nineveh (612 B.C.)

Joel 2:10—judgment of Judah (586 B.C.)

Amos 8:9---judgment of the northern kingdom (722 B.C.)

Secondly, since the New Testament states that all judgment has been given by the Father to the Son (John 5:22), I submit that this A.D. 70 coming in judgment, was the coming of Jesus “on the clouds” (Matt. 24:30; 26:64; Rev. 1:7) and “in the Father’s glory” (Matt. 16:27; Mark 8:38; Luke 9:26), as Jehovah God had come many times before (see above bullets).

Consequently, in speaking of his coming again, Jesus used exactly the same language of the Prophets (cosmic-darkening and collapsing, earth-shaking), described it exactly the same way (“on the clouds”), for exactly the same purpose (judgment), to accomplish exactly the same thing (destruction of a nation), and employed exactly the same instrumentality (foreign armies).



In sum, this decisive battle of the “last days” period in which they were living back then and there (Heb. 1:2) was totally relevant to, took place during, and was fulfilled within the lifetime of Revelation’s original readers. Hence, Revelation’s “Armageddon” took place in Jerusalem. Historically, its fulfillment is behind us, and not ahead of us. It is past, and not future.5

A strong case also can be made that all of the literal and symbolic end-time details portrayed in the book of Revelation were precisely fulfilled during these same events and in keeping with the time-restricted context this last book of the Bible imposed upon itself.

Of course, there is more, much more. But the biblical facts seem to indicate that LaHaye and Jenkins are over nineteen centuries off in their timing and topologically (valley vs. mountain) far afield in their location of this “battle on the great day of God Almighty.” They, and others, have erroneously termed it “the battle of Armageddon.”

I further suggest that it is time for God’s people to “wake up, O sleeper . . .” (Eph. 5:14) —i.e., those who love biblical truth, and not fiction or fantasy. We must stop abdicating this area of our faith to the likes of LaHaye and Jenkins. Everyday, millions are being adversely affected and many more deeply entrenched by their biblically flawed view. But as Jesus said, “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (John 8:32). First, truth must get a hearing. If it doesn’t, it can get left behind.

Will you be an ambassador for this truth at this critical time (2 Cor. 5:20)? If so, please discuss this short article with others, and pass it along.

[1] Advertisement – “Introducing the LaHaye Prophecy Study Group,” Christianity Today, February 2003, 13.

[1] The ancient town of Megiddo was situated on a small mound a few hundred feet high and adjacent to this valley on the west.

[1] See Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., Before Jerusalem Fell (Atlanta, GA.: American Vision, 1998). John A.T. Robinson, Redating the New Testament (Philadelphia, PA.: Westminster Press, 1976).

[1] Walter Bauer, William F. Arndt, and F. Wilbur Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Chicago and London: The University of Chicago Press, 1958), 107.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Modern/2003_noe_armageddon.html

[1] Possible ongoing applications (not fulfillments) of this prophecy are beyond the scope of this article.

For further biblical corrections of ‘Left Behind’ theology see:

10 Reasons why the Paul’s “caught-up” (1 Thess. 4:13-17; also 1 Cor. 15:51-54) is not a rapture-removal of a group of alive believers from the surface of planet Earth—see pages 15-31 in my book, Shattering the ‘Left Behind’ Delusion.

Many reasons why Daniel’s 70th week (Dan. 9:24-27) is not a future 7-year period of tribulation orchestrated by the Antichrist, but instead was a 7-year period of covenantal confirmation perfectly fulfilled by Christ—see pages 71-109 in my book, Beyond the End Times.

For many reasons why the Great Tribulation and the biblical “last days” are behind us and not ahead of us—also see pages 131-162 in my book, Beyond the End Times.
 
do you think Christ has already returned and called all believers to heaven?.......

I think nearly everything in Revelation happened in the first century AD after the destruction of the Temple... Revelation does tell the seven Jewish communities that it will happen within a generation which is 40 years..


Historical Account:

Josephus: "all the calamities which had befallen any nation from the beginning of the world were but small in comparison with those of the Jews" Wars 6:8:5; 9:2:3; 5:11:1.

Further, Josephus tells us that during the sieges grip, when there was no grain left, there was wholesale ransacking within the walls of Jerusalem; food was so short that any locked door meant someone was eating a meal inside; marauders would break down the doors, rush in, and grab the throats of those inside, hoping to squeeze a morsel of food from their throats. whole families perished during the siege. Tomb-robbing was rampant. Josephus mentions that he saw 600,000 bodies thrown out the gates of the city. One deserter was caught with gold he swallowed to smuggle out of the city. Suspecting that many Jews were attempting such, in one night the Romans killed 2000 Jews and ripped their stomachs open. Josephus tells of one mother who was so hungry that she roasted, her infant son and ate half of him, offering the other half to her neighbor. In short, there has been nothing in history to match the violence, savageness; famine, pestilence, despair present in the siege of Jerusalem. It was indeed the blackest and cruelest war in the annals of mankind, yet for those who were watchful, there was a way of escape.

"Now as soon as the army had no more people to slay to to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury...Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and temple" Josephus Wars 7:1:1.
 
I think nearly everything in Revelation happened in the first century AD after the destruction of the Temple...

\shrugs......but none of that even matters.......Revelation tells us Jesus Christ will return at the end of times.........do you think that happened in the first century as well?.......
 
Do you know what they call the Period BEFORE the End Times? .............
.......... the Meantime. (like, in the meantime while were waiting around for the World to End)
 
\shrugs......but none of that even matters.......Revelation tells us Jesus Christ will return at the end of times.........do you think that happened in the first century as well?.......

Revelation says it will happen within a generation.

Jesus said in Matthew 24 that the tribulation and the “end of the Temple” would come within one generation.

A generation is 40 years. Jesus prophesied in 30 AD. The Temple was destroyed 70 AD… exactly one generation later.
 
Revelation says it will happen within a generation.

Jesus said in Matthew 24 that the tribulation and the “end of the Temple” would come within one generation.

A generation is 40 years. Jesus prophesied in 30 AD. The Temple was destroyed 70 AD… exactly one generation later.

For the bible tells me so.
 
Revelation says it will happen within a generation.
Jesus said in Matthew 24 that the tribulation and the “end of the Temple” would come within one generation.

A generation is 40 years. Jesus prophesied in 30 AD. The Temple was destroyed 70 AD… exactly one generation later.

it also says everyone will be aware when Jesus returns........judgment day and all that....some of us may have missed it........when do the history books tell us judgment day occurred?......

as to the end of the Temple, that occurred when Christ rose from the dead........
 
it also says everyone will be aware when Jesus returns........judgment day and all that....some of us may have missed it........when do the history books tell us judgment day occurred?......

as to the end of the Temple, that occurred when Christ rose from the dead........

No.. The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD by Titus after his father Vespasian was recalled to Rome.
 
Do you know what they call the Period BEFORE the End Times? .............
.......... the Meantime. (like, in the meantime while were waiting around for the World to End)

Is the word eschaton or something like that?
 
when Jesus referred to the temple being destroyed and rebuilt in three days he was speaking of himself and his resurrection.......

“And Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way; and his disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple. But he answered and said unto them, ‘You see all of these things, do you not? Truly I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down’” (Matthew 24:1-2).

and,

“Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days” John 2:19 (Here Jesus is talking about himself.)
 
“And Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way; and his disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple. But he answered and said unto them, ‘You see all of these things, do you not? Truly I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down’” (Matthew 24:1-2).

and,

“Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days” John 2:19 (Here Jesus is talking about himself.)

???.....that's what I said......
 
(you're asking the wrong person)

Did you write this?

Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
Do you know what they call the Period BEFORE the End Times? .............
.......... the Meantime. (like, in the meantime while were waiting around for the World to End)
 
Did you write this?

Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
Do you know what they call the Period BEFORE the End Times? .............
.......... the Meantime. (like, in the meantime while were waiting around for the World to End)

Yes.
I was reading up on 'The Quakers' (apparently long-ago ancestors from Wales) and that was what they called the time before the End Time. They called it the 'Meantime'.
 
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