ATF: Illegal to sell guns to med marijuana users

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Firearms dealers in states that regulate medical marijuana can't sell guns or ammunition to registered users of the drug, a policy that marijuana and gun-rights groups say denies Second Amendment rights to individuals who are following state law.

It's already illegal under federal law for someone to possess guns if he or she is "an unlawful user of, or addicted to" marijuana or other controlled substances. A Sept. 21 letter from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, issued in response to numerous inquiries from gun dealers, clarifies that medical marijuana patients are included in that definition.

"There are no exceptions in federal law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by state law," said the letter by Arthur Herbert, the ATF's assistant director for enforcement programs and services.

Federal firearm licensees, or FFLs, already can't sell guns to buyers who answer "yes" when a required form asks whether the buyer is a controlled substance user. Last week's letter also says that licensed dealers can't sell a gun or ammunition if they have "reasonable cause to believe" the buyer is using a controlled substance.

That includes if the buyer presents a medical marijuana card as identification or if the buyer talks about drug use, having a medical marijuana card or a recent drug conviction, ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Wednesday.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/28/ap/business/main20112963.shtml


:palm:
But yet the Obama administration has no problem selling guns to the Mexican drug cartels.
 
But yet the Obama administration has no problem selling guns to the Mexican drug cartels.

Is that why there is no ongoing investigation of Fast & Furious/Gunwalker?

If the Obama administration "has no problem" with it, it's still going on, right?

Just asking.

Oh, and explain how selling guns and ammo to people who possess controlled substances redresses the errors of Gunwalker/Fast & Furious.

Thanks.
 
Firearms dealers in states that regulate medical marijuana can't sell guns or ammunition to registered users of the drug, a policy that marijuana and gun-rights groups say denies Second Amendment rights to individuals who are following state law.

It's already illegal under federal law for someone to possess guns if he or she is "an unlawful user of, or addicted to" marijuana or other controlled substances. A Sept. 21 letter from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, issued in response to numerous inquiries from gun dealers, clarifies that medical marijuana patients are included in that definition.

"There are no exceptions in federal law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by state law," said the letter by Arthur Herbert, the ATF's assistant director for enforcement programs and services.

Federal firearm licensees, or FFLs, already can't sell guns to buyers who answer "yes" when a required form asks whether the buyer is a controlled substance user. Last week's letter also says that licensed dealers can't sell a gun or ammunition if they have "reasonable cause to believe" the buyer is using a controlled substance.

That includes if the buyer presents a medical marijuana card as identification or if the buyer talks about drug use, having a medical marijuana card or a recent drug conviction, ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Wednesday.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/28/ap/business/main20112963.shtml


:palm:
But yet the Obama administration has no problem selling guns to the Mexican drug cartels.


Since paranoia, depression and schizophrenia are associated with regular use of marijuana? I would say that makes sense. Americans already have enough crazies with guns.
 
can you define 'shall not be infringed'????

You're OK with selling guns and ammo to people who are stoned on prescription marijuana, but want all police drug tested and fired if they test positive for drugs?
 
can you compare the differences between rights and privileges or powers?

Can you point out the Constitutional difference between a police officer and a person (who could conceivably also be a police officer) with a prescription for a controlled substance?

If one class should be afforded rights guaranteed by the Constitution, why should the other be denied the same right?
 
Can you point out the Constitutional difference between a police officer and a person (who could conceivably also be a police officer) with a prescription for a controlled substance?

If one class should be afforded rights guaranteed by the Constitution, why should the other be denied the same right?

I'm perfectly fine with affording police officers all the same rights that I have, provided they get to face the same conditions and standards of lawful conduct that I have to.
 
I'm perfectly fine with affording police officers all the same rights that I have, provided they get to face the same conditions and standards of lawful conduct that I have to.

That's not how the Constitution is written, is it?


Besides, I'm not convinced that police don't face the same conditions and standards the rest of us do. Posting numerous allegations won't make it so, either.
 
You support selling guns to the mentally unstable? Lets try it in your neighborhood and see how that goes ok?

Has it stopped anyone determined enough to get one? No, yet you would give the one single entity that poses the biggest threat to our freedom the power to define the conditions to exercise our right to maintain our freedom.
 
That's not how the Constitution is written, is it?


Besides, I'm not convinced that police don't face the same conditions and standards the rest of us do. Posting numerous allegations won't make it so, either.
so no matter how many incidents I post, you will never believe that cops are given lighter punishments for breaking laws than non cops are?
 
so no matter how many incidents I post, you will never believe that cops are given lighter punishments for breaking laws than non cops are?

I will believe factual accounts that conclusively prove that police receive lighter sentences than others convicted of the same infractions in identical circumstances.

Got any?
 
Injusticeeverywhere.com
Theagitator.com
Copblock.org

I'm not wading through thousands of links on those websites.

That's like claiming that wikipedia.org proves the existence of fairies.

Do you have specific links to factual accounts that conclusively prove that police receive lighter sentences than others convicted of the same infractions in identical circumstances, or not?

Case numbers?

Anything?
 
Why? So I can hear 'isolated incidents' or 'few bad apples' some more? No. you've stated quite clearly that you wont be convinced by anything I post, so I gave you the places to learn for yourself. The rest is up to you.
 
Why? So I can hear 'isolated incidents' or 'few bad apples' some more? No. you've stated quite clearly that you wont be convinced by anything I post, so I gave you the places to learn for yourself. The rest is up to you.

Cop out, pardon the pun. So you have nothing.

And yes, I would proceed on a case-by-case basis.

That's the way it works when you respect truth.
 
Since when does medical marijuana use denote mental issues?

That's not the issue, although cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and HIV dementia..."

Existing law prohibits the sale of firearms and ammunition to possessors of controlled substances, including marijuana.

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2...all-ffls-marijuana-for-medicinal-purposes.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis#United_States
 
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