Babies and trade schools......

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This is our way to a brighter future. It's the whole Give a man a fish thing but in this scenario it is give a man a TRADE. But first you need the man . Population growth followed by easy access to trade schools. We have two choices,...we can pay for people from cradle to grave or we can pay to educate them in a needed trade where they can go on to live good middle class lives, home ownership, raise their own families and be productive tax paying citizens. EASY choice IMO.
 
Stone said:
This is our way to a brighter future. It's the whole Give a man a fish thing but in this scenario it is give a man a TRADE. But first you need the man . Population growth followed by easy access to trade schools. We have two choices,...we can pay for people from cradle to grave or we can pay to educate them in a needed trade where they can go on to live good middle class lives, home ownership, raise their own families and be productive tax paying citizens. EASY choice IMO.
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I have been pushing trade schools for some time but trying to get kids to see that these people are in short supply and get paid VERY well.
But no, for some reason they seem to be lazy and don't want to put the effort into it.
I have been gotten several to go over the years and now some of them thank me because they are making 50 dollars an hour as electricians All I can say is I hope more wake up soon
 
Tbird19482 said:
I have been pushing trade schools for some time but trying to get kids to see that these people are in short supply and get paid VERY well.
But no, for some reason they seem to be lazy and don't want to put the effort into it.
I have been gotten several to go over the years and now some of them thank me because they are making 50 dollars an hour as electricians All I can say is I hope more wake up soon
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Absolutely!!
 
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Absolutely!!
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I may not like you twos political thoughts but on this I back you 100%.
Right now a Trade is the way to go.
We are hurting for people that are plumbers, Carpenters , Electricians Tool and die makers and more.
One of the problems is it takes 4 years to become a journey men and a lot of these kids do not want to put the work in to become one but from my experience being an electrician it is well worth it.
 
Tbird19482 said:
I may not like you twos political thoughts but on this I back you 100%.
Right now a Trade is the way to go.
We are hurting for people that are plumbers, Carpenters , Electricians Tool and die makers and more.
One of the problems is it takes 4 years to become a journey men and a lot of these kids do not want to put the work in to become one but from my experience being an electrician it is well worth it.
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If people only knew what a difference it makes for so many...I'm a 1000% behind career centers and trade school apprenticeships...I think some kind of experience or training should be a part of every graduation requirement...
Slowly, but surely, people are beginning to see and agree...
Back to daily life skills classes, as well...;)
 
TOP said:
If people only knew what a difference it makes for so many...I'm a 1000% behind career centers and trade school apprenticeships...I think some kind of experience or training should be a part of every graduation requirement...
Slowly, but surely, people are beginning to see and agree...
Back to daily life skills classes, as well...;)
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Well these guys earn 35, 40 50 dollars an hour or more some times that's nothing to sneeze at , and some kids are seeing it and are waking up.
And they get paid well during their apprenticeships , it is hard work I did it but as I said it is WELL worth it.
I have a friend that is an electrical linemen and if he is on jobs like helping put the lines back up because of a hurricane he gets his hotel and meals paid for and earns over 100 dollars an hour.
 
Tbird19482 said:
Well these guys earn 35, 40 50 dollars an hour or more some times that's nothing to sneeze at , and some kids are seeing it and are waking up.
And they get paid well during their apprenticeships , it is hard work I did it but as I said it is WELL worth it.
I have a friend that is an electrical linemen and if he is on jobs like helping put the lines back up because of a hurricane he gets his hotel and meals paid for and earns over 100 dollars an hour.
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We agree... School systems want to defund the career centers and we're fighting that tooth and nail... amazing programs available... At the community colleges as well...
 
Tbird19482 said:
I may not like you twos political thoughts but on this I back you 100%.
Right now a Trade is the way to go.
We are hurting for people that are plumbers, Carpenters , Electricians Tool and die makers and more.
One of the problems is it takes 4 years to become a journey men and a lot of these kids do not want to put the work in to become one but from my experience being an electrician it is well worth it.
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You mention tool and die makers. Even 4 years in a trade school (or college, for that matter) doesn't teach you everything in 4 years.
I spent years after trade school (and after taking geometric dimensioning and tolerancing courses in a community college) to become a machinist.
I worked with some incredibly talented "old school" machinists and paid close attention to those who have done it for years, and learned far more than I did in trade school or from those college courses (although it was a great start learning the basics). I've been told I'm "a hell of a machinist" and rose to become the manager of a small machine shop, but I'll admit I don't know it all.
 
RB 60 said:
You mention tool and die makers. Even 4 years in a trade school (or college, for that matter) doesn't teach you everything in 4 years.
I spent years after trade school (and after taking geometric dimensioning and tolerancing courses in a community college) to become a machinist.
I worked with some incredibly talented "old school" machinists and paid close attention to those who have done it for years, and learned far more than I did in trade school or from those college courses (although it was a great start learning the basics). I've been told I'm "a hell of a machinist" and rose to become the manager of a small machine shop, but I'll admit I don't know it all.
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I know MY wife that passed away about 6 years ago was a tool and die maker at a large auto stamping plant where we used really big dies to stamp out roofs , body sides and more.
She had to have Machinist training on mills and other machines, one of the last things she made was a solid aluminum pool Que.
The taper adapter didn't work and she had one of those old school machinist show her how to taper it in and it is a real beauty .
Yes those old school tradesmen are all gone now and a lot of what they knew went with them .
I myself was an electrician, I had a lot of experience before I got my apprenticeship and being an apprentice you are suppose to learn from your journeyman and I did but I also showed a lot of them some stuff I had picked up over the years.
Oh it was fun.
 
Tbird19482 said:
I know MY wife that passed away about 6 years ago was a tool and die maker at a large auto stamping plant where we used really big dies to stamp out roofs , body sides and more.
She had to have Machinist training on mills and other machines, one of the last things she made was a solid aluminum pool Que.
The taper adapter didn't work and she had one of those old school machinist show her how to taper it in and it is a real beauty .
Yes those old school tradesmen are all gone now and a lot of what they knew went with them .
I myself was an electrician, I had a lot of experience before I got my apprenticeship and being an apprentice you are suppose to learn from your journeyman and I did but I also showed a lot of them some stuff I had picked up over the years.
Oh it was fun.
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I got my start running mills. I made molds and a stamping turret for a brush company. Then I got into lathe work. I guess I developed a fascination for turning parts, making the tooling, speeds, feeds and tapers. I turned bearing tolerances on the journals on both ends of 14" rolls 10 ft. long concentric within .005
I guess I was into it enough to be promoted to manager of our shop. I don't think that's too bad for an uneducated redneck country hick.
 
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Last I knew there wasn’t a shortage of trade schools in the United States, in fact, I do believe that most high schools offer a trade curriculum, and have for some time now. It isn’t the lack of trade school options but rather that most kids do want to enter into a trade
 
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Last I knew there wasn’t a shortage of trade schools in the United States, in fact, I do believe that most high schools offer a trade curriculum, and have for some time now. It isn’t the lack of trade school options but rather that most kids do want to enter into a trade
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They've been brainwashed they you have to go to college to be successful. They see people in the trades as dirty and not smart enough to go to college.
 
Stone said:
This is our way to a brighter future. It's the whole Give a man a fish thing but in this scenario it is give a man a TRADE. But first you need the man . Population growth followed by easy access to trade schools. We have two choices,...we can pay for people from cradle to grave or we can pay to educate them in a needed trade where they can go on to live good middle class lives, home ownership, raise their own families and be productive tax paying citizens. EASY choice IMO.
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You have to additionally change the current mindset in education in the US where everything is geared to prepping students to go to college. In Europe and Asia (for once they have something right), schools starting about 8th grade separate students into two career paths and they go to different schools afterwards.

The first group are students showing capacity for college educations, particularly in math and sciences, along with students from backgrounds of "privilege." That is the smart and rich kids get prepped for college. Yea, that's elitist and whatever, but it's also realist. Why drag down the smart kids while you aren't going to do much, if anything, to change the trajectory of the rich ones.

The second group are students that have sufficient grades and intellect they can become skilled technicians, craftsmen, tradesmen, and the like. They still need good math and science skills, etc., but they aren't getting an education in physics or science to be inventors and intellectuals. They are being trained to be a highly paid, skilled workforce that society needs. They also take things like hands on shop classes and often are hired into work programs with actual companies needing them.

The delinquents, mouth breathers, and other either won't amount to much in society types get the GED education and are mostly going to school, if they go to school, and are being warehoused.
 
Yakuda said:
They've been brainwashed they you have to go to college to be successful. They see people in the trades as dirty and not smart enough to go to college.
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I ran into a kid that thought that and after showing him what the people that had a trade earned and the schooling ( collage ) they needed compared to what some people that went to " collage " were earning .
It changed his mind about people in the trades being working in dirty jobs.
Seeing some people only earning 20 maybe 30 dollars an hour compared to some tradesmen earning 40 50 or more an hour and all the collage, schooling it took he decided to become an electrician and is doing good .
 
Tbird19482 said:
I may not like you twos political thoughts but on this I back you 100%.
Right now a Trade is the way to go.
We are hurting for people that are plumbers, Carpenters , Electricians Tool and die makers and more.
One of the problems is it takes 4 years to become a journey men and a lot of these kids do not want to put the work in to become one but from my experience being an electrician it is well worth it.
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In Oklahoma 2 years in an electrical technology school and one can enter an apprenticeship making some money before becoming fully certified. A young man who graduated HS with my son has gone this route and has been on his own financially now for a year or so while my son won’t complete his college degree (bachelors in math with certificates in data analytics) until May.

I think both kids chose the right path for them.

I’ve been teaching for 37 years in the public school system and have pointed most of my students wanting training/education past High School towards our technology centers for the majority of those years. We need them.
 
archives said:
Last I knew there wasn’t a shortage of trade schools in the United States, in fact, I do believe that most high schools offer a trade curriculum, and have for some time now. It isn’t the lack of trade school options but rather that most kids do want to enter into a trade
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We do a pretty good job of maintaining trade schools here in Oklahoma so I’d have to agree with your post but a disturbing trend I see is that … let me alter the last part of your post: “most kids don’t want to enter into a trade WORK” … and that is a problem.
 
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