Balkanization success stories?

BattleofHodow · Dec 30, 2020

/MSG/ · Dec 30, 2020

Nobody cares. And we aren't going to "balkanize" in anyones lifetime.

BattleofHodow · Dec 30, 2020

/MSG/ said:
Nobody cares. And we aren't going to "balkanize" in anyones lifetime.

There is in fact good deal of Balkanization in the USA.

In the South West for example approx 25% speak Spanish as their first language.

Truck Fump / h1b · Dec 30, 2020

RomanDmowski said:
The USA has long been touted as a Balkaniization success story.

Can you always say that?

Truth is a lot of Americans have long not gotten along too well.

It's getting worse again.

But, it was long an issue.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_nativist_riots

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Yusef_Hawkins

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Monday

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamaroneck_riot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Riots

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_14,_1891_New_Orleans_lynchings

Truth is all over the Balkanization has caused chaos.

Lets look at the originator of the term Balkanization.

Here's Balkanization in action.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Bosnian_War

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis...d_massacres_in_Yugoslavia_during_World_War_II

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetnik_war_crimes_in_World_War_II

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istrian-Dalmatian_exodus

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_purges_in_Serbia_in_1944–45

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Serb_riots_in_Sarajevo

Now let's switch gears.

Here's Balkanization in action all over the World.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Rohingya_persecution_in_Myanmar

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponary_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portadown_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyborg_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Uman

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasbourg_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Georgians_in_Abkhazia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide

you've got the meaning rersed. through the 80s and 90s, neocons and neolibs used balkanization to mean countries breaking up into smaller states, and it was a bad thing. it was people like milosevic had to be "dealt with".

states should be as inclusive as possible, but not more.

StoneByStone · Dec 30, 2020

/MSG/ said:
Nobody cares. And we aren't going to "balkanize" in anyones lifetime.

It happened in the Soviet Union and Austria-Hungary. Is it really so impossible?

BattleofHodow · Dec 30, 2020

AssHatZombie said:
you've got the meaning rersed. through the 80s and 90s, neocons and neolibs used balkanization to mean countries breaking up into smaller states, and it was a bad thing. it was people like milosevic had to be "dealt with".

states should be as inclusive as possible, but not more.

The term also is used to refer to ethnic conflict within multiethnic states.

It was coined at the end of World War I to describe the ethnic and political fragmentation that followed the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, particularly in the Balkans. (The term Balkanization is today invoked to explain the disintegration of some multiethnic states and their devolution into dictatorship, ethnic cleansing, and civil war.)

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Balkanization

BattleofHodow · Dec 30, 2020

AssHatZombie said:
you've got the meaning rersed. through the 80s and 90s, neocons and neolibs used balkanization to mean countries breaking up into smaller states, and it was a bad thing. it was people like milosevic had to be "dealt with".

states should be as inclusive as possible, but not more.

Balkanization should just mean too many ethnic groups in one spot.

It truly causes a lot of resentment.

BattleofHodow · Dec 30, 2020

AssHatZombie said:
you've got the meaning rersed. through the 80s and 90s, neocons and neolibs used balkanization to mean countries breaking up into smaller states, and it was a bad thing. it was people like milosevic had to be "dealt with".

states should be as inclusive as possible, but not more.

Milosevic wanted to hold Yugoslavia together.

It's the USA who wanted to separate them.

Which is kind of odd, considering how the USA tends to support in recent times integration & not separation.

To tell you the truth, Milosevic was kind of like Lincoln.

It was sort of their version of the American civil war, just a lot more vicious & complex.

Truck Fump / h1b · Dec 30, 2020

RomanDmowski said:
Balkanization should just mean too many ethnic groups in one spot.

It truly causes a lot of resentment.

that's not what it used to mean. thus the nature of your psyop.

Cypress · Dec 30, 2020

Modern Canada and USA are both ethnically diverse, and by the standards of world history, are arguably the most tolerant and successful examples of nation-states in human history.

BattleofHodow · Dec 30, 2020

Cypress said:
Modern Canada and USA are both ethnically diverse, and by the standards of world history, are arguably the most tolerant and successful examples of nation-states in human history.

The USA is tolerant? From slave owner George Washington to Donald Trump?

Canada might be a special example, probably half of Canada's background are of draft dodging Americans since day 1.

They are naturally submissive.

BattleofHodow · Dec 30, 2020

AssHatZombie said:
that's not what it used to mean. thus the nature of your psyop.

The first Leftists were Capitalists.

Truck Fump / h1b · Dec 30, 2020

RomanDmowski said:
Milosevic wanted to hold Yugoslavia together.

It's the USA who wanted to separate them.

Which is kind of odd, considering how the USA tends to support in recent times integration & not separation.

To tell you the truth, Milosevic was kind of like Lincoln.

It was sort of their version of the American civil war, just a lot more vicious & complex.

just shows that imperial dogma shifts with the evershifting sandy sands.

BattleofHodow · Dec 30, 2020

AssHatZombie said:
you've got the meaning rersed. through the 80s and 90s, neocons and neolibs used balkanization to mean countries breaking up into smaller states, and it was a bad thing. it was people like milosevic had to be "dealt with".

states should be as inclusive as possible, but not more.

Bosniaks actually started the Genocides of Bosnian war, NOT Serbs.

You'll almost never hear about the Sijekovac killings but always about Srebrenica massacre.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sijekovac_killings

Truck Fump / h1b · Dec 30, 2020

RomanDmowski said:
Bosniaks actually started the Genocides of Bosnian war, NOT Serbs.

You'll almost never hear about the Sijekovac killings but always about Srebrenica massacre.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sijekovac_killings

my pet theory it's part of deep states war on christianity.

Cypress · Dec 30, 2020

Cypress said:
Modern Canada and USA are both ethnically diverse, and by the standards of world history, are arguably the most tolerant and successful examples of nation-states in human history.

RomanDmowski said:
The USA is tolerant? From slave owner George Washington to Donald Trump?

Canada might be a special example, probably half of Canada's background are of draft dodging Americans since day 1.

They are naturally submissive.

Let me ask you this:

Why are you responding to what you wish I wrote, rather than what I actually wrote?

I specifically said "modern" Canada and USA.

I specifically said "by the standards of world history", not by the standards of the ideal and perfect.

BattleofHodow · Dec 30, 2020

AssHatZombie said:
that's not what it used to mean. thus the nature of your psyop.

So what caused the fragmentation of different nations in the Balkans?

Simple, too many ethnic groups in one spot.

Truck Fump / h1b · Dec 30, 2020

Slobodan milosevic was like lincoln, lol. he's trying to murder soccer moms and karens with cognitive dissonance.

BattleofHodow · Dec 30, 2020

Cypress said:
Let me ask you this:

Why are you responding to what you wish I wrote, rather than what I actually wrote?

I said "modern" Canada and USA

I said "by the standards of world history", not by the standards of the ideal and perfect.

The USA is really divided, the backbone of the Republicans are Celto-Germanic Protestants, who probably make up 50% of the USA.

The backbone of Democrats are far more diverse being Blacks, Latinos,,Jews, Muslims, Asians etc.

White Catholics like myself tend to sway back & forth, not really understanding either side.

Truck Fump / h1b · Dec 30, 2020

RomanDmowski said:
So what caused the fragmentation of different nations in the Balkans?

Simple, too many ethnic groups in one spot.

nope. an inability to be civil. and if you really can't get along, separate states is best.

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