Biden's coming energy disaster

T. A. Gardner

T. A. Gardner

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Looks like people are going to be paying a lot more for heating their homes this winter. Estimates are that it will cost 40 to 50% more to do this this year than last. So, if you live in one of those places with a cold winter, stand by for sticker shock due to Biden's idiotic energy policies... He may be trying to save the planet, but he's likely going to make you suffer severely, and even kill some people trying to do it...

https://www.newsweek.com/fuel-price-surge-midterms-risk-joe-biden-democrats-spr-gas-1636531
https://www.newsweek.com/us-heating...ent-amid-increased-demand-natural-gas-1634415
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...-natural-gas/ar-AAPu4WX?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
https://www.startribune.com/prepare-to-be-shocked-by-heating-bills/25650879/

And in those places run by insane Democrats, they're blaming the energy companies not their idiot decisions...

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/illinois-lawmakers-call-for-hearing-on-high-heating-bills

Sticker shock like that isn't likely to endear the public to supporting Democrats come next year...
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I had a meeting with a company to put solar panels on my roof...........it's an awesome idea and well worth it
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Consistent with my philosophy as a Lukewarmist and Climate Realist. Create incentives for renewable nrg like tax breaks, provide funding for research , etc. but don't piss away $millions on pie in the sky schemes like Solyndra.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Bet they raped you on the price...
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I didn't qualify because of their required credit score, but over 25 years, it's not a bad price. It would end up being the same i'm paying for electric right now, never go up, and the best part of it is the federal government payout trying to push solar........
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I didn't qualify because of their required credit score, but over 25 years, it's not a bad price. It would end up being the same i'm paying for electric right now, never go up, and the best part of it is the federal government payout trying to push solar........
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The typical sales pitch is it saves you like $100 to $200 a month on electricity but you break even because of the payment on the system that typically goes for $40,000 to $60,000 from those companies.

Materials and labor are realistically about half that for the typical install...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The typical sales pitch is it saves you like $100 to $200 a month on electricity but you break even because of the payment on the system that typically goes for $40,000 to $60,000 from those companies.

Materials and labor are realistically about half that for the typical install...
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yes, and spread out over 25 years, taking in to account an approximate 4.5% increase in energy costs every year, it costs less to do solar than it does to pay a utility company..........the federal money is a bonus
 
SmarterthanYou said:
yes, and spread out over 25 years, taking in to account an approximate 4.5% increase in energy costs every year, it costs less to do solar than it does to pay a utility company..........the federal money is a bonus
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OPM from the government doesn't count. Everybody pays for that in the end. Given that in most cases, the solar panel system won't make it to 20 years without serious money in maintenance, you end up breaking about even overall. Going nuclear would lower utility rates, or keep them were they are. Most of that increase is due to more solar and wind in use and utility companies having to install excess capacity to cover for the shortages wind and solar often produce.

Solar is a bad deal for the nation.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
OPM from the government doesn't count. Everybody pays for that in the end. Given that in most cases, the solar panel system won't make it to 20 years without serious money in maintenance, you end up breaking about even overall. Going nuclear would lower utility rates, or keep them were they are. Most of that increase is due to more solar and wind in use and utility companies having to install excess capacity to cover for the shortages wind and solar often produce.

Solar is a bad deal for the nation.
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the company I dealt with, Legacy, had a 25 year warranty.........overall, they had a good plan and, like I said, the 22.6k from the feds works in my favor to pay a good chunk of principal on my mortgage
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Looks like people are going to be paying a lot more for heating their homes this winter. Estimates are that it will cost 40 to 50% more to do this this year than last. So, if you live in one of those places with a cold winter, stand by for sticker shock due to Biden's idiotic energy policies... He may be trying to save the planet, but he's likely going to make you suffer severely, and even kill some people trying to do it...

https://www.newsweek.com/fuel-price-surge-midterms-risk-joe-biden-democrats-spr-gas-1636531
https://www.newsweek.com/us-heating...ent-amid-increased-demand-natural-gas-1634415
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...-natural-gas/ar-AAPu4WX?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
https://www.startribune.com/prepare-to-be-shocked-by-heating-bills/25650879/

And in those places run by insane Democrats, they're blaming the energy companies not their idiot decisions...

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/illinois-lawmakers-call-for-hearing-on-high-heating-bills

Sticker shock like that isn't likely to endear the public to supporting Democrats come next year...
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"Biden's?"

Can you site us one country in the world who heat their homes in winter where the same situation isn't going to happen?

Hate to bust your innuendo, but it is a worldwide predicament
 
Matt Dillon said:
Is there an inverter/batteries involved? How does that work? Will you need a new roof?
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All home solar power systems use a static inverter and double metering. There's an automatic bus tie (ABT) that decides whether the house gets power from the array or grid. The inverter, ABT, and panels are where like 90% of the cost is in a system, maybe more like 80% now with copper prices out-of-sight.

The roof has to be suitable to take the weight of the array and the roofing material in good enough condition that it can last for the life of the array. I wouldn't take the solar company's assessment of that on a bet because they'll fudge on the side of 'good enough' to get the sale.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
All home solar power systems use a static inverter and double metering. There's an automatic bus tie (ABT) that decides whether the house gets power from the array or grid. The inverter, ABT, and panels are where like 90% of the cost is in a system, maybe more like 80% now with copper prices out-of-sight.

The roof has to be suitable to take the weight of the array and the roofing material in good enough condition that it can last for the life of the array. I wouldn't take the solar company's assessment of that on a bet because they'll fudge on the side of 'good enough' to get the sale.
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You cant assume that the warranty will be of any use either, these days expecting just about any company to survive for 25 or what ever years is nuts. The significant liability must be factored in.
 
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