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Tranquillus in Exile

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Starting before the 2020 election, Donald Trump said that he would be, or subsequently had been, robbed of the presidency by fraud (he said the same before the 2016 election, but he won that one and we heard no more about it).

What is the best evidence Trump supporters have that the 2020 election was stolen by large-scale fraud? Who organized it and how did they pull it off? Please cite verifiable sources. Thank you!

P.S. I was a little confused by this announcement from Newsmax. Are they saying they don’t believe their own news?

Newsmax would like to clarify its news coverage and note it has not reported as true certain claims made about these companies. No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmat...tems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/
 
Trump tweeted some shocking news after the 2020 election.

"Dominion deleted 2.7 million Trump votes nationwide"

He was referring to an OANN report, "Elections systems across the country are found to have deleted millions of votes cast for President Trump” which cited an analysis by election monitoring group Edison Research.

However, Edison's president, Larry Rosin, said "Edison Research has produced no such report and we have no evidence of any voter fraud."

Trump didn’t tweet that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54959962


To be clear, I am asking for evidence of widespread election fraud where the sources actually check out. Got any?
 
Hello Tranquillus in Exile,

Tranquillus in Exile said:
Starting before the 2020 election, Donald Trump said that he would be, or subsequently had been, robbed of the presidency by fraud (he said the same before the 2016 election, but he won that one and we heard no more about it).

What is the best evidence Trump supporters have that the 2020 election was stolen by large-scale fraud? Who organized it and how did they pull it off? Please cite verifiable sources. Thank you!

P.S. I was a little confused by this announcement from Newsmax. Are they saying they don’t believe their own news?

Newsmax would like to clarify its news coverage and note it has not reported as true certain claims made about these companies. No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmat...tems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/
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You know why that statement was released.

It looks like it was lawyer-ordered.

It's a CYA statement.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Starting before the 2020 election, Donald Trump said that he would be, or subsequently had been, robbed of the presidency by fraud (he said the same before the 2016 election, but he won that one and we heard no more about it).

What is the best evidence Trump supporters have that the 2020 election was stolen by large-scale fraud? Who organized it and how did they pull it off? Please cite verifiable sources. Thank you!

P.S. I was a little confused by this announcement from Newsmax. Are they saying they don’t believe their own news?

Newsmax would like to clarify its news coverage and note it has not reported as true certain claims made about these companies. No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmat...tems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/
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Trump confessed that he's incompetent and that the Democrats were both much smarter than him and more powerful. Trump is a pussified idiot masturbating in the corner of a room in comparison to the great minds at the DNC who pulled this off with most Americans not even knowing it happened!!!! :laugh:
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Starting before the 2020 election, Donald Trump said that he would be, or subsequently had been, robbed of the presidency by fraud (he said the same before the 2016 election, but he won that one and we heard no more about it).

What is the best evidence Trump supporters have that the 2020 election was stolen by large-scale fraud? Who organized it and how did they pull it off? Please cite verifiable sources. Thank you!

P.S. I was a little confused by this announcement from Newsmax. Are they saying they don’t believe their own news?

Newsmax would like to clarify its news coverage and note it has not reported as true certain claims made about these companies. No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmat...tems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/
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every state that changed their voting procedures without the approval of their state legislature violated the requirements of the US constitution.......44,000 votes from three cities in three states that had unconstitutional elections put Biden in office.......what is it you don't understand about stealing an election?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
every state that changed their voting procedures without the approval of their state legislature violated the requirements of the US constitution.......44,000 votes from three cities in three states that had unconstitutional elections put Biden in office.......what is it you don't understand about stealing an election?......
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US courts say you're lying.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Starting before the 2020 election, Donald Trump said that he would be, or subsequently had been, robbed of the presidency by fraud (he said the same before the 2016 election, but he won that one and we heard no more about it).

What is the best evidence Trump supporters have that the 2020 election was stolen by large-scale fraud? Who organized it and how did they pull it off? Please cite verifiable sources. Thank you!

P.S. I was a little confused by this announcement from Newsmax. Are they saying they don’t believe their own news?

Newsmax would like to clarify its news coverage and note it has not reported as true certain claims made about these companies. No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmat...tems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/
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They think that's going to get them out of pending litigation, no doubt.
 
Hello Tranquillus in Exile,

Tranquillus in Exile said:
Trump tweeted some shocking news after the 2020 election.

"Dominion deleted 2.7 million Trump votes nationwide"

He was referring to an OANN report, "Elections systems across the country are found to have deleted millions of votes cast for President Trump” which cited an analysis by election monitoring group Edison Research.

However, Edison's president, Larry Rosin, said "Edison Research has produced no such report and we have no evidence of any voter fraud."

Trump didn’t tweet that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54959962


To be clear, I am asking for evidence of widespread election fraud where the sources actually check out. Got any?
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I don't see any evidence being posted.

Is that because all evidence goes against Trump?
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Starting before the 2020 election, Donald Trump said that he would be, or subsequently had been, robbed of the presidency by fraud (he said the same before the 2016 election, but he won that one and we heard no more about it).

What is the best evidence Trump supporters have that the 2020 election was stolen by large-scale fraud? Who organized it and how did they pull it off? Please cite verifiable sources. Thank you!

P.S. I was a little confused by this announcement from Newsmax. Are they saying they don’t believe their own news?

Newsmax would like to clarify its news coverage and note it has not reported as true certain claims made about these companies. No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmat...tems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/
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They don’t want to be sued out of existence.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
every state that changed their voting procedures without the approval of their state legislature violated the requirements of the US constitution.......44,000 votes from three cities in three states that had unconstitutional elections put Biden in office.......what is it you don't understand about stealing an election?......
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What he might not understand is why Right wingers (the dumber ones) believe it's for them rather than the judicial system to determine if an election is "unconstitutional".
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
What is the best evidence Trump supporters have that the 2020 election was stolen by large-scale fraud? Who organized it and how did they pull it off? Please cite verifiable sources. Thank you!
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The best and most obvious evidence is the incredible "coincidence" of multiple central counting facilities all having some manner of issue that demanded that all observers leave and that counting illegally continued.

And as if that wasnt enough, there was the illegal destruction of mail in ballot envelopes.

Who was behind it ? Well who had the most to gain or lose as a result ?

Democrats obviously but thats not all though they clearly were involved. Soros as well though he mostly just coordinated with the donkeys.

China in a very real sense had the most to gain. Trump was forcing them to play more fairly with currency manipulation, intellectual property theft and fair trade. All of which were hurting the somewhat fragile Chinese economy and it's disturbing arms buildup.

There are loads of additional examples validated by thousands of sworn statements from election workers but I'm sticking with undeniable illegal acts well documented in even the biased MSM.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
In December 2020 the Texas Attorney General sued Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, alleging that they had acted unconstitutionally in changing election procedures, particularly in regard to postal voting, through executive and judicial action without explicit legislative sanction. The suit argued that the certified vote counts from those states were therefore invalid.

The Supreme Court, including Trump’s appointees Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett, declined to hear the case on the grounds that a state lacks standing under Article III of the Constitution to challenge elections held in other states. This was Trump’s last chance to overturn the election legally, so the following month he resorted to extra-legal measures. :|

Now, if I may direct your attention to the OP – do you have any evidence of widespread FRAUD in the 2020 election?
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yes......three states held unconstitutional elections.......those three states were won by Biden by 44,000 votes counted in illegal elections......fraud, in three states......it cannot be denied......thank you.....
 
martin said:
What he might not understand is why Right wingers (the dumber ones) believe it's for them rather than the judicial system to determine if an election is "unconstitutional".
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no court has said what they did was constitutional......the SC did in fact say the state of PA violated the constitution but that they would not block the election because it was too late once it was certified....
 
martin said:
No scientist has said earth will continue in its orbit tomorrow and not begin zooming into sunless space.

Better start saying your prayers; alternatively, look up the types of faulty logical arguments.
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lol....code for: I have lost this argument and have no clue where to go next........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lol....code for: I have lost this argument and have no clue where to go next........
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Your logical debate infirmity I referenced is your own problem. Don’t try to pass it off. Then again, you probably don’t comprehend the infirmity which would be also your problem.
 
martin said:
Your logical debate infirmity I referenced is your own problem. Don’t try to pass it off. Then again, you probably don’t comprehend the infirmity which would be also your problem.
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if you think what I said is a lie, perhaps you should find something to contradict it........oh wait, that's impossible isn't it.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
every state that changed their voting procedures without the approval of their state legislature violated the requirements of the US constitution.......44,000 votes from three cities in three states that had unconstitutional elections put Biden in office.......what is it you don't understand about stealing an election?......
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yup, forgot about this. legislatures change law, executive executes it and judicial interprets questions surrounding it. no arguing this point and it DID occur.
 
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