Bloomberg/Hagel ticket???

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ahhh... the plot keeps twisting. Now Hagel has talked with Bloomberg about a possible Bloomberg/Hagel third party ticket.

I would love to know what people think of this. Obviously they would have the money to run. Bloomberg is a moderate Dem turned Rep (because he couldn't get the Dem ticket nod in NY). Hagel has been a vocal opponent of Bush for a while now and is a moderate Rep. I would personally prefer the ticket to be Hagel/Bloomberg, but since it is Bloombergs money I doubt that would happen.

What ticket could the Reps or Dems put up that would compete with this one?
 
Buchanan and Tucker Carlson were talking about this last night, and they were besides themselves giggling over it. They both feel that the only way the republicans can win the white house in 08, is with this third party ticket siphoning off the anti-war vote from the dem ticket.

I haven't seen any numbers, but I fear that could be a possible outcome.
 
Darla said:
Buchanan and Tucker Carlson were talking about this last night, and they were besides themselves giggling over it. They both feel that the only way the republicans can win the white house in 08, is with this third party ticket siphoning off the anti-war vote from the dem ticket.

I haven't seen any numbers, but I fear that could be a possible outcome.
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That's a concern but it rests on a lot of assumptions at this point.

Sounds like Buchanan and Tucks have conceded the moderate votes to the Dems this time.
 
I think they may be correct. Reps would flock to this ticket as would many Independents. Perhaps even some moderate Dems. I wonder how Bloomberg would do in NY. Probably depends on whether he was up against Hillary (which would probably make it tough to win) or against anyone else (in which case I think he could take NY). Hagel would help carry much of the midwest and south.

Unless one of the two parties put up a moderate ticket, I think they could win... especially with Bloombergs money behind their campaign. They could use that fact alone to drive the "we are not beholden to any corps or special interest groups" line.
 
"That's a concern but it rests on a lot of assumptions at this point."

Thanks captain obvious. Of course they are just assumptions at this point. As are the guesses as to who will be on the Dem and Rep tickets. Goofball.
 
GOD said:
I think they may be correct. Reps would flock to this ticket as would many Independents. Perhaps even some moderate Dems. I wonder how Bloomberg would do in NY. Probably depends on whether he was up against Hillary (which would probably make it tough to win) or against anyone else (in which case I think he could take NY). Hagel would help carry much of the midwest and south.

Unless one of the two parties put up a moderate ticket, I think they could win... especially with Bloombergs money behind their campaign. They could use that fact alone to drive the "we are not beholden to any corps or special interest groups" line.
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No, no you misunderstand me. They believe that this will take votes from the dems, and put the republican ticket in office. They do not believe that hagel/bloomberg will win the election, they believe they will throw it to whoever the R's nominate. And they believe that is the only way the R's can take the white house in 08, with a so-called spoiler ticket in the mix.

But as Ornot says, no one's seen any numbers yet, so it's all assumption. But I think it's a possible outcome, maybe a very possible outcome.
 
Darla,

Sorry, I did misunderstand.... I disagree with them then. I think Bloomberg/Hagel would draw a lot of independents as well as moderates from both parties. The approval rates of Congress and the White House indicate many are very unhappy with both parties right now. Granted the Dems have only been back in control a short while, but I think people are ready for a change. If the ticket is strong enough, like I believe this one very likely is, then they could take it away from both parties. (even though both Hagel and Bloomberg are technically Reps at this time).
 
GOD said:
Darla,

Sorry, I did misunderstand.... I disagree with them then. I think Bloomberg/Hagel would draw a lot of independents as well as moderates from both parties. The approval rates of Congress and the White House indicate many are very unhappy with both parties right now. Granted the Dems have only been back in control a short while, but I think people are ready for a change. If the ticket is strong enough, like I believe this one very likely is, then they could take it away from both parties. (even though both Hagel and Bloomberg are technically Reps at this time).
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SF, the thing is, this time around, the moderates and independents are going for the dem ticket. And I think you know that.

So that's taking votes away from the dems. I see their point, and I think it's a strong one, but I'll wait for extensive polling before I'm going to insist that it's right.
 
GOD said:
Darla,

Sorry, I did misunderstand.... I disagree with them then. I think Bloomberg/Hagel would draw a lot of independents as well as moderates from both parties. The approval rates of Congress and the White House indicate many are very unhappy with both parties right now. Granted the Dems have only been back in control a short while, but I think people are ready for a change. If the ticket is strong enough, like I believe this one very likely is, then they could take it away from both parties. (even though both Hagel and Bloomberg are technically Reps at this time).
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Sfreak, as things stand now, Hagel/Bloomberg throws the race to the GOP. Assuming Iraq doesn't miraculously become a jeffersonian democracy, the moderate and independent vote is going to go heavily democratic - just like in 2006. The GOP merely is holding onto to its TheoCon base at this point. Hagel siphons off moderates (and possibly some anti-war votes) from the democrats.


that's the way I see it now. things could change.
 
"SF, the thing is, this time around, the moderates and independents are going for the dem ticket. And I think you know that."

1) SHHHHHHHHHHHH.... I am God today... not SF :D

2) I agree that currently the moderates and independents are leaning Dem at this time. Which will certainly change to an extent should this third party ticket materialize. But I think they will draw Rep support as well. Take the 40% in the middle right now and leave the Reps and Dems with their diehards and some of the moderates. It will certainly be interesting (and also fun to speculate for now)

3) I got to take off soon, so have a great weekend
 
"Sfreak, as things stand now, Hagel/Bloomberg throws the race to the GOP. Assuming Iraq doesn't miraculously become a jeffersonian democracy, the moderate and independent vote is going to go heavily democratic - just like in 2006. The GOP merely is holding onto to its TheoCon base at this point. Hagel siphons off moderates (and possibly some anti-war votes) from the democrats. "

If they keep their theocon base as you say... that is still only 25-30% of the population. They need the moderates and independents just as much as the dems. All I am saying is that I think a Bloomberg/Hagel ticket can take 40%, which in a three way race, should win.
 
GOD said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070518/pl_nm/usa_politics_bloomberg_dc

ahhh... the plot keeps twisting. Now Hagel has talked with Bloomberg about a possible Bloomberg/Hagel third party ticket.

I would love to know what people think of this. Obviously they would have the money to run. Bloomberg is a moderate Dem turned Rep (because he couldn't get the Dem ticket nod in NY). Hagel has been a vocal opponent of Bush for a while now and is a moderate Rep. I would personally prefer the ticket to be Hagel/Bloomberg, but since it is Bloombergs money I doubt that would happen.

What ticket could the Reps or Dems put up that would compete with this one?
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I'm not all that familiar with Hagal but my understanding is that his voting record is pretty conservative outside of the war. I don't kknow how much a role that would play anyway with him being the VP nominee in your senario.
 
cawacko said:
I'm not all that familiar with Hagal but my understanding is that his voting record is pretty conservative outside of the war. I don't kknow how much a role that would play anyway with him being the VP nominee in your senario.
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It is, but for some people, who have the war as their top passion, faced with a waivering Hillary, (or the unknown Obama, is he strong enough to bring them home?) or a Hagel who is going to bring them home, then they may look the other way on his domestic policies. Most likely we are going to have a dem Congress, so, they can keep him in check. Under exactly the right circumstances, I could vote for hagel. Bloomberg I actually have even less problem with, he's R in name only. And he's a smart guy. So you throw a dem congress into this, and I could vote for that ticket.

If they could get my vote Cawacko...think about it. Who are they taking from? Of course, Gore/Obama makes this all moot. That's my ticket.
 
It is that record combined with his anti-war position that would help him bring a chunk of the midwest and south to Bloomberg (who otherwise may have a hard time there).
 
GOD said:
"SF, the thing is, this time around, the moderates and independents are going for the dem ticket. And I think you know that."

1) SHHHHHHHHHHHH.... I am God today... not SF :D

2) I agree that currently the moderates and independents are leaning Dem at this time. Which will certainly change to an extent should this third party ticket materialize. But I think they will draw Rep support as well. Take the 40% in the middle right now and leave the Reps and Dems with their diehards and some of the moderates. It will certainly be interesting (and also fun to speculate for now)

3) I got to take off soon, so have a great weekend
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Me too, and you too. :)
 
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