Bob Costas: 'If Javon didn't own a gun he and his gf would be alive'

cawacko

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Costas said this at halftime of the Cowboys-Eagles game tonight. He blamed guns for Javon Belcher being able to kill himself and his gf as if husbands haven't killed wives by means other than with guns or people haven't committed suicide without use of a gun. And he states this during a football game. WTF Costas? SMH.
 
Demon Swordsman Crona said:
Would you care to list those reasons? As all evidence I've seen in the past 12 years says otherwise.
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Domestic Abuse felon, been in prison five years for beating in his wife's face for the fourth time. Do you really want that guy going out to buy a shotgun?
How bout the armed robbery convict? Should he be going around with a glock when the last time he got his hands on a gun he used it to rob the place?
Or the two gentlemen from the Hell's Angels who did multiple years in prison because they beat the crap out of somebody for trying to leave(current case in Weld County CO), should they have the chance to go buy something to finish the job?
 
Disillusioned said:
Domestic Abuse felon, been in prison five years for beating in his wife's face for the fourth time. Do you really want that guy going out to buy a shotgun?
How bout the armed robbery convict? Should he be going around with a glock when the last time he got his hands on a gun he used it to rob the place?
Or the two gentlemen from the Hell's Angels who did multiple years in prison because they beat the crap out of somebody for trying to leave(current case in Weld County CO), should they have the chance to go buy something to finish the job?
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Before we go further, and I should have prefaced my post with this, we should probably agree to what we mean when we say gun control, as it's a ambiguous term. First and foremost you will see NO ONE advocating restoration of rights to violent felons. I'm not going to make that argument. However I will say that prior to banning felons form owning arms, crime was att eh same rate nationally (within 3% anyways) as it is now. Crime has been stable-ish for almost a century. So while you and I both agree in keeping arms out of the hands of violent felons, statistically speaking it does not hinder crime.

So, do you agree that in this conversation neither of us is advocating the allowing of violent felons to arms? Typically speaking that's not gun control. Now if you have other arguments I would love to hear them.
 
That's about the limit of my views on it, I don't have a problem with anybody who has not been convicted of a violent felony owning a gun. I think that people wanting an arsenal is a bit silly but do what you want. I'm also in favor of the death penalty even though that doesn't deter crime either. But then I'm old fashioned about certain things.
 
Disillusioned said:
That's about the limit of my views on it, I don't have a problem with anybody who has not been convicted of a violent felony owning a gun. I think that people wanting an arsenal is a bit silly but do what you want. I'm also in favor of the death penalty even though that doesn't deter crime either. But then I'm old fashioned about certain things.
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Well then we are in agreement about guns.
 
Disillusioned said:
My point is that there are good arguments out there about gun control on either side, using a bad argument is just laziness and intellectually insulting to one's own side.
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While I agree that using a bad argument is bad, I don't see a good side if enactment of a law does not actually cause a decrease in crime (if that is in fact the purpose of the law).
 
Demon Swordsman Crona said:
While I agree that using a bad argument is bad, I don't see a good side if enactment of a law does not actually cause a decrease in crime (if that is in fact the purpose of the law).
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Not familiar with the specifics of the gun control law arguments, but theoretically they boil down to something like... guns make murder easier, make crime easier, make bad choices easier, fewer guns should mean less crime.

To which the gun enthusiasts respond, when guns are outlawed only outlaws have guns.

To which the controlists reply, then you need a better maintenance of the law.


And on, though it does make me giggle a bit that if you exchanged "guns" with "drugs" the people arguing would flip sides but be giving the same arguments. Rather like the "lets legalize drugs but illegalize sugary drinks, because people who can handle drugs obviously can't handle food"
 
Disillusioned said:
There are good reasons for gun control, suicide prevention isn't one of them.
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the only good reasons for gun control are to ensure that people remain controlled by government. If guns were truly as dangerous as the statists/anti-gunners claim, they would not provide exemptions to government agents.
 
cawacko said:
Costas said this at halftime of the Cowboys-Eagles game tonight. He blamed guns for Javon Belcher being able to kill himself and his gf as if husbands haven't killed wives by means other than with guns or people haven't committed suicide without use of a gun. And he states this during a football game. WTF Costas? SMH.
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OMG KILL HIM!!!!
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the only good reasons for gun control are to ensure that people remain controlled by government. If guns were truly as dangerous as the statists/anti-gunners claim, they would not provide exemptions to government agents.
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Here is one of the many "no one"'s advocating giving guns to violent felons. A nd hey if they were in prison for beating their wives or gf's and are going to use the gun to kill some bitch...well that's almost as good as shooting a black guy and then standing your ground to walk.
 
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