Borderline Follies

[Taichiliberal]

So the latest hysteria regarding migrants, refugees and illegal aliens at our Southern border concerns the Biden administration attempts to end the Trump immigration law (passed during the height of the Covid pandemic) that prevented such folk from coming and staying under any circumstances or time frame. The border states see a tsunami of people overwhelming their streets & resources. Here, in NYC the same sentiments are being expressed in lieu of the DeSantis/Abbot actions of busing said people to a "sanctuary city".

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...ourt-title-42-trump-era-immigration-rcna62460


Here's my thing; nowhere in the MSM are the following questions: (a) What are the economic, social & political situations in the countries that these people fleeing from? (b) are there US private companies/corporations or federal agencies that continue to do business with said countries?

I'll wager if the USA would stop doing business as usual with AND ban companies/corporations from doing business with despots, dictators, oligarchs and nasty theocracies, the situation might improve. Either that or enforce a deal that any employee of a US company on foreign soil gets pay, vacation time and medical coverage just like Americans do DESPITE the local economic situation. Couldn't hurt.

Thoughts?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Meanwhile, up here in the Northeast, we don't see ANY volume of Canadians trying get in.
Actually, Canada has the bigger problem with the inverse.
They're very serious about keeping us the fuck out.
They must read JPP online.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Meanwhile, up here in the Northeast, we don't see ANY volume of Canadians trying get in.
Actually, Canada has the bigger problem with the inverse.
They're very serious about keeping us the fuck out.
They must read JPP online.

Well, VISAS are not required to Canadians to visit us. But given the vastness and different culture, I don't see why they should

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/canadian-immigrants-united-states-2021

Now, what' all this about efforts to keep Americans out of Canada? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Nordberg]

So the latest hysteria regarding migrants, refugees and illegal aliens at our Southern border concerns the Biden administration attempts to end the Trump immigration law (passed during the height of the Covid pandemic) that prevented such folk from coming and staying under any circumstances or time frame. The border states see a tsunami of people overwhelming their streets & resources. Here, in NYC the same sentiments are being expressed in lieu of the DeSantis/Abbot actions of busing said people to a "sanctuary city".

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...ourt-title-42-trump-era-immigration-rcna62460


Here's my thing; nowhere in the MSM are the following questions: (a) What are the economic, social & political situations in the countries that these people fleeing from? (b) are there US private companies/corporations or federal agencies that continue to do business with said countries?

I'll wager if the USA would stop doing business as usual with AND ban companies/corporations from doing business with despots, dictators, oligarchs and nasty theocracies, the situation might improve. Either that or enforce a deal that any employee of a US company on foreign soil gets pay, vacation time and medical coverage just like Americans do DESPITE the local economic situation. Couldn't hurt.

Thoughts?

America has destroyed countries in Central America and South America. We exploited them and left them in a mess. They have crappy governments and gangs running loose. They come here for more safety and opportunity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Well, VISAS are not required to Canadians to visit us. But given the vastness and different culture, I don't see why they should

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/canadian-immigrants-united-states-2021

Now, what' all this about efforts to keep Americans out of Canada? Inquiring minds want to know.

In the past, I just had to tell the guy in the booth that I was going to a Red Sox-Blue Jays game.
Didn't even have to show him the game tickets, never mind a passport.

Now it's a big song and dance, because America is so incredibly fucked up that they think I want to stay.
Soon, I may need a VISA, not just my passport.

 

[Taichiliberal]

In the past, I just had to tell the guy in the booth that I was going to a Red Sox-Blue Jays game.
Didn't even have to show him the game tickets, never mind a passport.

Now it's a big song and dance, because America is so incredibly fucked up that they think I want to stay.
Soon, I may need a VISA, not just my passport.

Yeah, but you've got to admit the minor inconvenience you go through is NOTHING compared to what's going down on the US southern border states. Remember, there business commuters there (and I'll wager at the Canadian border as well). So the vast differences remain the same (sadly). Also, you have to take into account that everything changed after 9/11/01.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Yeah, but you've got to admit the minor inconvenience you go through is NOTHING compared to what's going down on the US southern border states. Remember, there business commuters there (and I'll wager at the Canadian border as well). So the vast differences remain the same (sadly). Also, you have to take into account that everything changed after 9/11/01.

9/11/01 is when the Jihadists defeated us. That's evident every time I have to put up with TSA.

 

[Nordberg]

Yeah, but you've got to admit the minor inconvenience you go through is NOTHING compared to what's going down on the US southern border states. Remember, there business commuters there (and I'll wager at the Canadian border as well). So the vast differences remain the same (sadly). Also, you have to take into account that everything changed after 9/11/01.

For decades Mexicans and Americans casually shopped across the border. They shopped at nearby malls and Americans went to Mexico for cheap medical care.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Yeah, but you've got to admit the minor inconvenience you go through is NOTHING compared to what's going down on the US southern border states. Remember, there business commuters there (and I'll wager at the Canadian border as well). So the vast differences remain the same (sadly). Also, you have to take into account that everything changed after 9/11/01.

9/11/01 is when the Jihadists defeated us. That's evident every time I have to put up with TSA.

Okay, now you're exaggerating to the point of insipidness. Complaining about some minor inconvenience to cross a border actually borders on the whining of a privileged person. Hell, even the Israeli's laughed at us when all the current nonsense at our airports was installed as security measures after 9/11!

Last time I checked, my life style has not changed at all since 9/11 outside of the natural devolution of the GOP to current MAGA status and the DEMS wishy washy/two faced policies. THAT was happening BEFORE 9/11.

The OP stands valid, I'm sad to say.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Okay, now you're exaggerating to the point of insipidness. Complaining about some minor inconvenience to cross a border actually borders on the whining of a privileged person. Hell, even the Israeli's laughed at us when all the current nonsense at our airports was installed as security measures after 9/11!

Last time I checked, my life style has not changed at all since 9/11 outside of the natural devolution of the GOP to current MAGA status and the DEMS wishy washy/two faced policies. THAT was happening BEFORE 9/11.

The OP stands valid, I'm sad to say.

I used to always wear a nice suit to travel.
Now, because of TSA, it's more convenient to wear a sweat suit and look like a complete asshole, but one that can get through a metal detector.
Only recently have I learned to insist on them finding me a chair if I have to remove my shoes, now usually sneakers due to the track suit, and at my age, they usually wave me through.
I don't need to walk with a cane, but I carry one in airports because I look more than old enough to need it, and that too mitigates the inconvenienced a little bit.

But it's crap. People are conditioned to put up with anything today, and it's turned me into a near-recluse.
I haven't been to a baseball game game or a boxing match in longer than I care to think about.

You may consider that a minor annoyance or inconvenience.
I consider it an insufferable abomination, to the point that it has severely limited my travel and entertainment comparing before to after.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Okay, now you're exaggerating to the point of insipidness. Complaining about some minor inconvenience to cross a border actually borders on the whining of a privileged person. Hell, even the Israeli's laughed at us when all the current nonsense at our airports was installed as security measures after 9/11!

Last time I checked, my life style has not changed at all since 9/11 outside of the natural devolution of the GOP to current MAGA status and the DEMS wishy washy/two faced policies. THAT was happening BEFORE 9/11.

The OP stands valid, I'm sad to say.

I used to always wear a nice suit to travel.
Now, because of TSA, it's more convenient to wear a sweat suit and look like a complete asshole, but one that can get through a metal detector.
Only recently have I learned to insist on them finding me a chair if I have to remove my shoes, now usually sneakers due to the track suit, and at my age, they usually wave me through.
I don't need to walk with a cane, but I carry one in airports because I look more than old enough to need it, and that too mitigates the inconvenienced a little bit.

But it's crap. People are conditioned to put up with anything today, and it's turned me into a near-recluse.
I haven't been to a baseball game game or a boxing match in longer than I care to think about.

You may consider that a minor annoyance or inconvenience.
I consider it an insufferable abomination, to the point that it has severely limited my travel and entertainment comparing before to after.

It's one thing for the periodic or frequent flyer to complain about the absurd "security" measures The Shrub & Chertoff put in place, I'll grant you that. But for the rare or occasional flyer to bitch and moan is a bit much. The rest of your stuff comes off as a "HEY YOU KIDS, GET OFF MY LAWN!" tirade.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

It's one thing for the periodic or frequent flyer to complain about the absurd "security" measures The Shrub & Chertoff put in place, I'll grant you that. But for the rare or occasional flyer to bitch and moan is a bit much. The rest of your stuff comes off as a "HEY YOU KIDS, GET OFF MY LAWN!" tirade.

That's exactly what I do, figuratively, at least. I'm world class at it, truth be told.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Here's my thing; nowhere in the MSM are the following questions: (a) What are the economic, social & political situations in the countries that these people fleeing from? (b) are there US private companies/corporations or federal agencies that continue to do business with said countries?

I'll wager if the USA would stop doing business as usual with AND ban companies/corporations from doing business with despots, dictators, oligarchs and nasty theocracies, the situation might improve. Either that or enforce a deal that any employee of a US company on foreign soil gets pay, vacation time and medical coverage just like Americans do DESPITE the local economic situation. Couldn't hurt.

Thoughts?

So, for the most part they are fleeing nothing more than poverty where they are. The crime rates are lower than in many larger US cities. They face less gang related violence and pressure than they would in the US. The nations they are fleeing are not dictatorships run by despots. On the whole, they are coming here because those that are impoverished will have a better life in the US than where they are.

I would also add, that studies over the last few decades show that the vast majority of these illegals / questionable asylum seekers have / are:

Less healthy putting a strain on the US medical system that is then forced to extract the costs from US citizens and insurers
Have less than an 8th grade education, and usually less than a 6th grade one. That makes them marginally employable at best
Have one or more arrests and criminal convictions

This is on the whole, not a population of people the US wants or needs.

When the Biden administration took office, the illegal population was widely held to be between 11 and 15 million in the US. In just the first two years of Biden's term somewhere between 4 and 6 million illegals have entered the US. That means somewhere between half and a third of all illegals in the US have entered in the last two years, at least according to "official" figures.

That is criminal negligence on the part of Biden to the point that he was completely breeched his oath of office and likely should be impeached for these high crimes against the US, the country he was supposed to defend.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
It's one thing for the periodic or frequent flyer to complain about the absurd "security" measures The Shrub & Chertoff put in place, I'll grant you that. But for the rare or occasional flyer to bitch and moan is a bit much. The rest of your stuff comes off as a "HEY YOU KIDS, GET OFF MY LAWN!" tirade.

That's exactly what I do, figuratively, at least. I'm world class at it, truth be told.

I applaud your honesty! Happy Holidays.

 

[Taichiliberal]

So, for the most part they are fleeing nothing more than poverty where they are. The crime rates are lower than in many larger US cities. They face less gang related violence and pressure than they would in the US. The nations they are fleeing are not dictatorships run by despots. On the whole, they are coming here because those that are impoverished will have a better life in the US than where they are.

I would also add, that studies over the last few decades show that the vast majority of these illegals / questionable asylum seekers have / are:

Less healthy putting a strain on the US medical system that is then forced to extract the costs from US citizens and insurers
Have less than an 8th grade education, and usually less than a 6th grade one. That makes them marginally employable at best
Have one or more arrests and criminal convictions

This is on the whole, not a population of people the US wants or needs.

When the Biden administration took office, the illegal population was widely held to be between 11 and 15 million in the US. In just the first two years of Biden's term somewhere between 4 and 6 million illegals have entered the US. That means somewhere between half and a third of all illegals in the US have entered in the last two years, at least according to "official" figures.

That is criminal negligence on the part of Biden to the point that he was completely breeched his oath of office and likely should be impeached for these high crimes against the US, the country he was supposed to defend.

Response to each of your paragraphs:

1. Some clarification: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/refugees-and-asylees-united-states-2021

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-...An asylum seeker is a,asylum is a human right.

Refugees come from countries like (as of October 2022 - per UNHCR): Syrian Arab Republic 6.8 million
Venezuela 5.6 million
Ukraine 5.4 million
Afghanistan 2.8 million
South Sudan 2.4 million

Asylum seekers come from countries like: Russia, China, Egypt, Turkey, Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, Cuba, El Salvador, India
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states

2. Please provide fact based information to support your claims.

3. Your opinion that has basis unless you can adequately answer #2.

4. Not quite. From last year:

The Facts on the Increase in Illegal Immigration

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/the-facts-on-the-increase-in-illegal-immigration/

5. An opinion with no basis in reality other than gross exaggeration, as #2 & #4 show.