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OK, there was recently a study done, and they compared four group of people. One group got professional acupuncture, one got amateur "cookbook" acupuncture, one got sham acupuncture (using toothpicks that merely simulated the feel of acupuncture and didn't actually pierce the skin), and a group that just got standard care. ALL groups receive standard care, but the acupuncture groups received the different flavors of real and fake acupuncture on top.

What were the results? Exactly as expected. The acupuncture groups all performed equally. Yes, that's right, real acupuncture worked no better than fake acupuncture. But they all performed slightly better than the group that JUST received standard care. The rational conclusion would be that the elaborate acupuncture procedure was merely acting as a placebo, and so couldn't be taken seriously as medical treatment.

So a title like:

Acupunture proven to be no better than placebo at treating back pain

Would be appropriate.

Well what does the 'mainstream' media give us? Ever single source?

Even 'fake' acupuncture helps back pain

Acupressure works too

People suffering from chronic low back pain who received acupuncture treatments fared better than those receiving only conventional care, according to a recent study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine.

Interestingly, the study also showed that people receiving simulated acupuncture-toothpicks were used instead of needles--also fared better than those receiving conventional care.

What gives?

Researchers wish they knew. But western-style clinical trials (initially designed to test drugs) still can't explain how acupuncture actually works. What is known is that both acupuncture and sham acupuncutre has been shown to elicit a positive effect.

"This adds to the growing body of evidence that there is something meaningful taking place during acupuncture treatments outside of actual needling," said Dr. Josephine P. Briggs, director of the National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine. "Future research is needed to delve deeper into what is evoking these responses."

Here's more detail on the clinical trial, from a NCCAM press release:

"This trial enrolled 638 adults with chronic low back pain who had never had acupuncture and who had rated the "bothersomeness" of their pain as at least a 3 on a 0-to-10 scale.

The participants were randomly assigned to one of four groups: individualized acupuncture, involving a customized prescription for acupuncture points from a diagnostician; standardized acupuncture, using a single prescription for acupuncture points that experts consider generally effective for chronic low back pain; simulated acupuncture, which mimics needle acupuncture but does not involve actual penetration of the skin; or usual care, which is standard medical care.

The patients assigned to any of the three acupuncture groups (individualized, standardized, or simulated) were treated twice weekly for three weeks, and then weekly for four weeks. At 8, 26, and 52 weeks, researchers measured back-related dysfunction and how much symptoms bothered participants.

The researchers found that at eight weeks the individualized, standardized, and simulated acupuncture groups all improved their dysfunction scores significantly more than the group receiving usual care. These benefits persisted for one year, though diminished over time.

However, there was no significant difference between the groups receiving the needle and simulated forms of acupuncture. Thus, while acupuncture was found effective in treating low back pain, neither tailoring acupuncture needle sites to an individual patient nor penetrating the skin appears to be important for receiving therapeutic benefit."
 
Or it could be that the toothpicks provided the pressure necessary for the stimulation.
 
Or it could be that the toothpicks provided the pressure necessary for the stimulation.

Or it could be that they reached across the quantum universe and magically imprinted themselves in the back, naturally realigning energy fields and healing all bodily ills. It doesn't matter what it is, because you guys just say whatever shit you have to to make it sound plausible to layman who have no idea what you're actually talking about. You'll move the goalposts until there aren't any.

Again, acupuncture is bullshit. Sticking needles in the back has nothing to do with che. Sticking needles in the back does not "release endorphins". IT IS A PLACEBO AND HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO MEDICAL USEFULNESS. This has been proved in numerous studies.

What do you call alternative medicine that works? Medicine. Stop wasting your money on these scam artists.
 
Or it could be that they reached across the quantum universe and magically imprinted themselves in the back, naturally realigning energy fields and healing all bodily ills. It doesn't matter what it is, because you guys just say whatever shit you have to to make it sound plausible to layman who have no idea what you're actually talking about. You'll move the goalposts until there aren't any.

Again, acupuncture is bullshit. Sticking needles in the back has nothing to do with che. Sticking needles in the back does not "release endorphins". IT IS A PLACEBO AND HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO MEDICAL USEFULNESS. This has been proved in numerous studies.

What do you call alternative medicine that works? Medicine. Stop wasting your money on these scam artists.

Or we don't know why it works.

But even if we accept that there is no sound medical reason for it to work, the results of the study was the same.

If the placebo effect has people getting well or better faster, then it obviously works.

A psychiatrist does the same thing that the placebo effect does. Yet one is called scam and the other is called Doctor.
 
Or we don't know why it works.

Placebo.

Do you know all the money we spend comparing drugs to placebos, to make sure there is a statistically significant difference between it and placebo? Imagine if drug companies could just say 'OH, it doesn't perform any better than placebo, but we're going to sell it anyway".

But even if we accept that there is no sound medical reason for it to work, the results of the study was the same.

If the placebo effect has people getting well or better faster, then it obviously works.

A psychiatrist does the same thing that the placebo effect does. Yet one is called scam and the other is called Doctor.

You really need a shrink if you think that imaginary benefits are equal to real ones. And besides, if you know it's a placebo it doesn't work.
 
And if people want to spend money on this then let them.

Its the same with lots of alternative remedies. The results of studies like the one you posted are available to everyone.
 
Something notable, the acupuncture groups all performed better than the group without acupuncture. The human mind is a weird place.
 
Something notable, the acupuncture groups all performed better than the group without acupuncture. The human mind is a weird place.

Yes, I did note that. It was to be expected, due to the placebo effect. The more elaborate looking a placebo is, the stronger it is, and it doesn't get any more elaborate than acupuncture.

This study proves that none of the explanations behind acupuncture make sense besides that it's just an elaborate placebo. However, a placebo can't be taken seriously as medical treatment, for obvious reasons.
 
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