California Has Always Had Fires, Environmental Alarmism Makes Them Worse Than

[Damocles]

An article by somebody who believes that mankind contributes to global warming...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...armism-makes-forest-fires-worse/#6a74e8b63712

California Has Always Had Fires, Environmental Alarmism Makes Them Worse Than Necessary

I woke up an hour later than normal yesterday morning because smoke from northern California’s forest fires had blotted out the sun. My bedroom windows glowed orange. It looked like a scene out of the 1983 made-for-TV movie, “The Day After,” about nuclear war.

I wasn’t the only one creeped out by the apocalyptic hue. “'A Nuclear Winter' Over Bay Area, as Wildfires Blot Out the Sun,” read a New York Times NYT. “Without the smoke, it would be a clear day,” noted a scientist. “This is all generated from the fires.”

The same mechanism that caused the orange sky is what could destroy agriculture in the wake of a thermonuclear war: particulate matter from burned wood blocking parts of the light spectrum from reaching the ground.

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And while the 2 million acres that have burned in California so far in 2020 is 10 times more area than burned in 2019, it’s still 2 million acres less than the lowest estimate for acres burned within modern state borders annually before Europeans settled in America. (underline is mine)

“California was a very smoky place historically,” says Malcolm North of the US Forest Survey.“Even though we’re seeing area burned that is off-the-charts, it’s still probably less than what used to be burned before Europeans arrived.”

Many reporters note that more area has burned this year in California than at any other point in “the modern period,” but that period began in 1950. For the last half of the 20th Century, the annual area burned in California was just 250,000 acres a year, whereas the best-available science suggests 4.4 and 12 million acres burned in California annually before the arrival of Europeans.

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[Celticguy]

Fires are a natural part of the ecosystem there.
Building homes where fire is GOING to happen is as foolish as building on barrier islands
Its not if, its when.

 

[Legion]

An article by somebody who believes that mankind contributes to global warming...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...armism-makes-forest-fires-worse/#6a74e8b63712

California Has Always Had Fires, Environmental Alarmism Makes Them Worse Than Necessary

I woke up an hour later than normal yesterday morning because smoke from northern California’s forest fires had blotted out the sun. My bedroom windows glowed orange. It looked like a scene out of the 1983 made-for-TV movie, “The Day After,” about nuclear war.

I wasn’t the only one creeped out by the apocalyptic hue. “'A Nuclear Winter' Over Bay Area, as Wildfires Blot Out the Sun,” read a New York Times NYT. “Without the smoke, it would be a clear day,” noted a scientist. “This is all generated from the fires.”

The same mechanism that caused the orange sky is what could destroy agriculture in the wake of a thermonuclear war: particulate matter from burned wood blocking parts of the light spectrum from reaching the ground.

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And while the 2 million acres that have burned in California so far in 2020 is 10 times more area than burned in 2019, it’s still 2 million acres less than the lowest estimate for acres burned within modern state borders annually before Europeans settled in America. (underline is mine)

“California was a very smoky place historically,” says Malcolm North of the US Forest Survey.“Even though we’re seeing area burned that is off-the-charts, it’s still probably less than what used to be burned before Europeans arrived.”

Many reporters note that more area has burned this year in California than at any other point in “the modern period,” but that period began in 1950. For the last half of the 20th Century, the annual area burned in California was just 250,000 acres a year, whereas the best-available science suggests 4.4 and 12 million acres burned in California annually before the arrival of Europeans.

More at link...

Hey, I posted that last week! No fair!

 

[ExpressLane]

Humans encroach on fire prone area and whine when they get burned out.

 

[Legion]

Humans encroach on fire prone area and whine when they get burned out.

Exactly. They also build on beaches and get bailed out by the taxpayers/other people who pay insurance premiums when a storm surge takes out their home/business. Same with flood plains.

 

[BartenderElite]

You don't think it's time to get even a bit alarmed about the environment?

What would it take, exactly?

 

[ExpressLane]

You don't think it's time to get even a bit alarmed about the environment?

What would it take, exactly?

When has the climate not changed?

 

[BartenderElite]

When has the climate not changed?

Is that the question we need to be asking?

When have humans lost access to so much clean water & air? When have we lost so much habitat? When has the oceanic food supply been on such a brink? When have we been close to having as much plastic in the ocean as fish?

And that's just a couple hundred years into the industrial revolution.

The real question: when are we going to wake up?

 

[Charoite]

An article by somebody who believes that mankind contributes to global warming...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...armism-makes-forest-fires-worse/#6a74e8b63712

California Has Always Had Fires, Environmental Alarmism Makes Them Worse Than Necessary

I woke up an hour later than normal yesterday morning because smoke from northern California’s forest fires had blotted out the sun. My bedroom windows glowed orange. It looked like a scene out of the 1983 made-for-TV movie, “The Day After,” about nuclear war.

I wasn’t the only one creeped out by the apocalyptic hue. “'A Nuclear Winter' Over Bay Area, as Wildfires Blot Out the Sun,” read a New York Times NYT. “Without the smoke, it would be a clear day,” noted a scientist. “This is all generated from the fires.”

The same mechanism that caused the orange sky is what could destroy agriculture in the wake of a thermonuclear war: particulate matter from burned wood blocking parts of the light spectrum from reaching the ground.

-------

And while the 2 million acres that have burned in California so far in 2020 is 10 times more area than burned in 2019, it’s still 2 million acres less than the lowest estimate for acres burned within modern state borders annually before Europeans settled in America. (underline is mine)

“California was a very smoky place historically,” says Malcolm North of the US Forest Survey.“Even though we’re seeing area burned that is off-the-charts, it’s still probably less than what used to be burned before Europeans arrived.”

Many reporters note that more area has burned this year in California than at any other point in “the modern period,” but that period began in 1950. For the last half of the 20th Century, the annual area burned in California was just 250,000 acres a year, whereas the best-available science suggests 4.4 and 12 million acres burned in California annually before the arrival of Europeans.

More at link...

Pfft, they had some but they are getting so much worse and encompassing areas all over the western states due to unruly temps. Even when it rains anymore you have fire danger because of lightning. Fire is a natural part and balance to the world but things aren't balanced and these aspects in the unbalance have aggressive side effects. We've had terrible fires in the past that taught us preventative means but those means no longer do much when a stray ember can become a disaster. Being from Colorado you'd think you'd be better versed due to their brunt of the fires. While climate change has had some fruity alarmist fears it's still real and getting to a point where we will never be able to do enough for balance to return. Years ago you didn't have such abundance of fires out west that places like where I live in Michigan is getting soot in the air from them. Climate change denialists just show themselves to be babies that don't want to be less spoiled to help the world.

 

[Bigdog]

Is that the question we need to be asking?

When have humans lost access to so much clean water & air? When have we lost so much habitat? When has the oceanic food supply been on such a brink? When have we been close to having as much plastic in the ocean as fish?

And that's just a couple hundred years into the industrial revolution.

The real question: when are we going to wake up?

The U.S. woke up when NIXON created the EPA by E.O. (because the Dem congress was obstructing).

China is the big culprit. But if you can't blame Whitey, then who cares, right?

 

[Loving91390]

For years California had inmates doing brush clearance with police and firefighters present ....

STUPID liberals stopped that !

The prisoners like being able to get out of their 4 walls and would sign up for this .

 

[Sailor]

Pfft, they had some but they are getting so much worse and encompassing areas all over the western states due to unruly temps. Even when it rains anymore you have fire danger because of lightning. Fire is a natural part and balance to the world but things aren't balanced and these aspects in the unbalance have aggressive side effects. We've had terrible fires in the past that taught us preventative means but those means no longer do much when a stray ember can become a disaster. Being from Colorado you'd think you'd be better versed due to their brunt of the fires. While climate change has had some fruity alarmist fears it's still real and getting to a point where we will never be able to do enough for balance to return. Years ago you didn't have such abundance of fires out west that places like where I live in Michigan is getting soot in the air from them. Climate change denialists just show themselves to be babies that don't want to be less spoiled to help the world.

I can see that article went right over your pointing little head. No surprise there.

 

[cancel2 2022]

An article by somebody who believes that mankind contributes to global warming...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...armism-makes-forest-fires-worse/#6a74e8b63712

California Has Always Had Fires, Environmental Alarmism Makes Them Worse Than Necessary

I woke up an hour later than normal yesterday morning because smoke from northern California’s forest fires had blotted out the sun. My bedroom windows glowed orange. It looked like a scene out of the 1983 made-for-TV movie, “The Day After,” about nuclear war.

I wasn’t the only one creeped out by the apocalyptic hue. “'A Nuclear Winter' Over Bay Area, as Wildfires Blot Out the Sun,” read a New York Times NYT. “Without the smoke, it would be a clear day,” noted a scientist. “This is all generated from the fires.”

The same mechanism that caused the orange sky is what could destroy agriculture in the wake of a thermonuclear war: particulate matter from burned wood blocking parts of the light spectrum from reaching the ground.

-------

And while the 2 million acres that have burned in California so far in 2020 is 10 times more area than burned in 2019, it’s still 2 million acres less than the lowest estimate for acres burned within modern state borders annually before Europeans settled in America. (underline is mine)

“California was a very smoky place historically,” says Malcolm North of the US Forest Survey.“Even though we’re seeing area burned that is off-the-charts, it’s still probably less than what used to be burned before Europeans arrived.”

Many reporters note that more area has burned this year in California than at any other point in “the modern period,” but that period began in 1950. For the last half of the 20th Century, the annual area burned in California was just 250,000 acres a year, whereas the best-available science suggests 4.4 and 12 million acres burned in California annually before the arrival of Europeans.

More at link...

I posted that already but no matter. This is a paper from the prestigious American Meteorological Society.


A “potential connection” between anthropogenic global warming and the frequency or intensity of wildfires in California has yet to emerge in the trend observations.

Scientists have found a “lack of correlation between late summer/autumn wildfires” and “summer precipitation or temperature” in coastal California. In fact, “there is no long-term trend in the number of fires over coastal California” in the last 50 years (Mass and Ovens, 2019).

https://journals.ametsoc.org/bams/a...-Northern-California-Wildfires-of-8-9-October

 

[cancel2 2022]

You don't think it's time to get even a bit alarmed about the environment?

What would it take, exactly?

How about some real evidence, got any,?

Official US Climate Data Reveals No Cause For Alarm

A new paper published today by the Global Warming Policy Foundation shows that U.S. climate has been changing very gradually, and mostly in a benign way.

https://www.thegwpf.org/official-us-climate-data-reveals-no-cause-for-alarm/

https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2020/09/US-Climate-2019.pdf

 

[cancel2 2022]

Pfft, they had some but they are getting so much worse and encompassing areas all over the western states due to unruly temps. Even when it rains anymore you have fire danger because of lightning. Fire is a natural part and balance to the world but things aren't balanced and these aspects in the unbalance have aggressive side effects. We've had terrible fires in the past that taught us preventative means but those means no longer do much when a stray ember can become a disaster. Being from Colorado you'd think you'd be better versed due to their brunt of the fires. While climate change has had some fruity alarmist fears it's still real and getting to a point where we will never be able to do enough for balance to return. Years ago you didn't have such abundance of fires out west that places like where I live in Michigan is getting soot in the air from them. Climate change denialists just show themselves to be babies that don't want to be less spoiled to help the world.

See post 13, chunky monkey!

 

[martin]

I posted that already but no matter. This is a paper from the prestigious American Meteorological Society.


A “potential connection” between anthropogenic global warming and the frequency or intensity of wildfires in California has yet to emerge in the trend observations.

Scientists have found a “lack of correlation between late summer/autumn wildfires” and “summer precipitation or temperature” in coastal California. In fact, “there is no long-term trend in the number of fires over coastal California” in the last 50 years (Mass and Ovens, 2019).

https://journals.ametsoc.org/bams/a...-Northern-California-Wildfires-of-8-9-October

Interesting both for the science and for the novelty of someone from the Right posting science.

 

[Darth Omar]

You don't think it's time to get even a bit alarmed about the environment?

What would it take, exactly?

Something that is directly and easily tied to man’s activities: acid rain, the effects of strip mines on local water sheds; plastics in the oceans. That sort of thing.

Trying to get from climate change to CA fires gets ranked as a hypothesis. Not a very strong one at that.

Sciencey.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Interesting both for the science and for the novelty of someone from the Right posting science.

I have been posting scientific papers for over a decade on here! Watch this space, there is plenty more to come. I also do not consider myself to be on the right, more a centrist.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Hey, I posted that last week! No fair!

 

[Darth Omar]

I have been posting scientific papers for over a decade on here! Watch this space, there is plenty more to come. I also do not consider myself to be on the right, more a centrist.

Lefties have a way of using ‘science’ as if it were some sort of monolithic thing.

The reality is, there are very few areas in science where there’s an absence of diversity of opinion. And of course, climate science is no exception.

Trying to tie CA fires to burning fossils fuels requires a small flotilla of assumptions—literally a fools errand. The more assumptions any theory has the shakier it is, because if even one assumption is amiss the whole thing comes crashing down.