Cameron steps down as leader of the LibDems - UK politics

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I guess this is fair. The Libdems seems to be the only thing some of us here really care about UK politics. The other two parties may as well just name themselves the "Conservative" party, and "The other Conervative" party.

Kind of surprising he'd step down so soon after taking the post, however.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20071015-1454-britain-liberaldemocrats.html

LONDON – The leader of Britain's Liberal Democrat party resigned Monday, a surprise move by the popular veteran lawmaker, ex-Olympic athlete and strident critic of the Iraq war.

Menzies Campbell steps down after 19 months as head of the third-ranked party, a period during which he has been dogged by claims that at 66, he is too old to challenge his rivals, particularly Britain's main opposition leader, David Cameron, 41.

Party president Simon Hughes told reporters that Campbell had stepped down with immediate effect, but the outgoing leader did not address the media himself.

In a letter to his party, Campbell said Prime Minister Gordon Brown's decision not to hold early elections this year prompted his departure.

Many Liberal Democrats had begun wondering aloud about whether a younger lawmaker should lead them into the next election, now likely to take place in 2009 or 2010. The British Broadcasting Corp. said the party would pick a new leader by Dec. 17.

“It has become clear that following the prime minister's decision not to hold an election, questions about leadership are getting in the way of further progress by the party,” Campbell wrote in his resignation letter.

No leader of the Liberal Democrats or its predecessor, the Liberal Party, has served as prime minister since David Lloyd George headed a coalition government from 1916 to 1922.

Hailed during the 2003 U.S.-led Iraq invasion for skillfully articulating the concerns of anti-war campaigners, Campbell struggled to excel in the cut and thrust of House of Commons debates on domestic concerns, often foundering in weekly questions sessions.

Campbell “has made this decision – as all his political decisions – in the interest of his party and liberal democracy throughout Britain,” Hughes said.

The former sprinter, who represented Britain at the 1964 Olympics and studied at Stanford University, had made a well-received speech to his party's annual conference in September.

But activists worried over slumping opinion poll ratings. An ICM poll published Sunday put the Liberal Democrats at 14 percent, compared with the opposition Conservatives with 43 percent and governing Labour with 36 percent.

ICM interviewed a random sample of 1,010 adults by telephone on Oct. 10 and 11. No margin of error was given, but a sample of that size would normally have a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
 
Vincent Cable is the new temp leader, though.

I think you'd like the guy. He's one of the free marketeers (not the one with the shit fetish) and only didn't win leadership last time because he declined to run. Whenever they hold the new leadership election, he'll probably win.
 
Vincent Cable is the new temp leader, though.

I think you'd like the guy. He's one of the free marketeers (not the one with the shit fetish) and only didn't win leadership last time because he declined to run. Whenever they hold the new leadership election, he'll probably win.

The smart money will be on Nick Clegg, the Home Affairs spokesman (i think that's what he does.). Poor old Vince is a little too much like a younger, shorter, less charismatic Ming Campbell and he's called Vince, which really can't help. Personally, i think they're all useless without a hope of ever forming a government.

I'm just looking forward to one of the candidates being outed as a sexual deviant of the highest calibre as seems to be the way in Lib Dem election run-offs. For no particular reason i'm going to speculate on something involving midgets and a pantomime horse.
 
Charver, the labour vote is declining, and it's unlikely that the conservatives are going to win enough seats to form an absolute majority all on their lonesome. Where does that leave the libdems?
 
We aren't going to have an election now, barring a massive Labour bounce in the polls, until 2009 at the earliest. Christ knows where the parties will be by then.

I'm still of the mind that the Tories can win an election, as long as they remain united, without having to rely on other parties. The south of England, who were tempted by Blair's "New Labour" fairytale will wrap themselves in their traditional Tory mantle. The Lib Dems will also find themselves squeezed out by a half decent Tory party in the South.

Labour will always remain strong in the North of England. We're a stubborn lot, you know.

The Lib Dems will have to finally make a choice about where they stand. Do they want to be a party of the Left targeting Labour in the North of England, Scotland and Wales, or do they want to be a traditional Liberal party targeting Tory areas in the South and Midlands? For years they've been saying different things to get elected in different areas.

Their best chance came in 2005 when they had a real chance to capitalise on Iraq. Now, with Blair gone and new Tory leadership, untainted by previous decisions, Iraq is all but dead as a national electoral issue. Any decent policies the Lib Dems come up with are immediately cherry-picked by either Labour or the Conservatives and they suffer from a lack of airtime in comparison with the big two.

Maybe they will manage to wangle a hung parliament, but that's unlikely to last for long and the inherrent weakness of coalition governments would likely damage them and make their goal of electoral reform less desirable in the eyes of the public. We don't like weak governments.
 
What about a LibDem/Labour coalition? Any chance of it? I mean particularly if there's a Tory resurgence and Labour and LibDems negotiate it well before the next general election?
 
What about a LibDem/Labour coalition? Any chance of it? I mean particularly if there's a Tory resurgence and Labour and LibDems negotiate it well before the next general election?

Well, they've done it in the Scottish Parliament until recently, but then they've adopted a PR system up there. There's always been talk of an agreement, notably when Paddy Ashdown was their leader. Any new Lib Dem leader is going to come under immediate pressure from the press to rule out or rule in a Lib/Lab pact.

It's not popular amongst Labour MP's and to the electorate it would seem to diminish the need for a Liberal Party at all. One of the pre-requisites for such a pact has always been electoral reform and it has been dangled in front of the Liberals before by Blair, until Labour swept into office and set up a commission to look into it, consigning it to the long grass forever.

The only way i could see such a pact becoming reality is if the Scottish Nationalists succeed in levering Scotland from the clutches of Labour. Labour are reliant on the disproportionately large 'celtic' vote as, basically, most of England is naturally Tory in nature. Only then would it make sense for Labour to go nuclear and adopt PR.
 
Thank you charver, that was very helpful (and since I am a new arrival and not in tune with the ethos of the forums I should point out I am not being sarcastic or a smart arse, I mean it).
 
The Empire will rise again

I bloody hope it does. We had some fantastic postings overseas in the civil service when we had the empire.

Now all we get to do is give out the dole....
 
I don't quite get the 'call an election' stuff. Don't you guys have regularly scheduled events like we do?
 
The Empire will rise again

I bloody hope it does. We had some fantastic postings overseas in the civil service when we had the empire.

Now all we get to do is give out the dole....
Maybe they'll send you out to smack around some Dentists so they'll accept the crappy government program more.
 
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