Canadian Healthcare For America, Really?????

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'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth
1. The Canadian health care system is not free -- in fact, Canadian families pay heavily for healthcare through the tax system. That high price paints the long wait times and lack of medical technologies in Canada in a very different light.

Nadeem Esmail Senior Fellow, The Fraser Institute
Many Canadians and commentators in other countries lauding Canada's government-dominated approach to health care refer to Canadian health care as "free." If health care actually were free, the relatively poor performance of the health care system might not seem all that bad. But the reality is that the Canadian health care system is not free -- in fact, Canadian families pay heavily for healthcare through the tax system. That high price paints the long wait times and lack of medical technologies in Canada in a very different light.


In 2013, a typical Canadian family of four can expect to pay $11,320 for public health care insurance. For the average family of two parents with one child that bill will be $10,989, and for the average family of two adults (without children) the bill comes to $11,381. As a result of lower average incomes and differences in taxation, the bills are smaller for the average unattached individual ($3,780), for the average one-parent-one-child family ($3,905), and the average one-parent two-child family ($3,387). But no matter the family type, the bill is not small, much less free.


And the bill is getting bigger over time. Before inflation, the cost of public health care insurance went up by 53.3 per cent over the last decade. That's more than 1.5 times faster than the cost of shelter (34.2 per cent) and clothing (32.4 per cent), and more than twice as fast as the cost of food (23.4 per cent). It's also nearly 1.5 times faster than the growth in average income over the decade (36.3 per cent).
And what did these substantial funds buy?


Despite talk of wait times reduction initiatives (backed with substantial funding), Canadians face longer wait times than their counterparts in other developed nations for emergency care, primary care, specialist consultations, and elective surgery. Access to physicians and medical technologies in Canada lags behind many other developed nations. And things have improved little since 2003. For example, the total wait time in 2012 (17.7 weeks from GP to treatment) is every bit as long it was back then.


Don't be fooled by claims that health spending isn't high enough or that transfers for health care to the provinces have been insufficient. Canada's health care system is the developed world's most expensive universal-access health care program after adjusting for the age of the population (older people require more care).

More at https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-esmail/canada-free-health-care_b_3733080.html
 
Federal tax rates for 2019

15% on the first $47,630 of taxable income, plus
20.5% on the next $47,629 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over 47,630 up to $95,259), plus
26% on the next $52,408 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $95,259 up to $147,667), plus
29% on the next $62,704 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over 147,667 up to $210,371), plus
33% of taxable income over $210,371


https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-ag...rates-individuals-current-previous-years.html
 
Canada GST and HST
The Canadian federal GST, Goods and Services Tax, is similar to VAT in other countries.
The GST and HST, Harmonized Salea Tax, apply to most supplies of goods and services supplied in or imported into Canada.
The standard GST rate is 5%
The three provinces of Ontario, New Brunswick and Newfoundland and Labrador harmonize the 8% sales tax with the 5% GST, creating a 13% harmonized sales tax, HST.
The HST in Prince Edward Island is 14%.
The HST in Nova Scotia is 15%.

Zero rated Goods and Services
Basic groceries.
Agricultural products.
Medical drugs and services.
Exports.


Exempt Goods and Services
Health services.
Educational services.
Services by financial institutes.
Long term residential rent.

Payroll Tax
The tax is imposed by several provinces, including Ontario, Manitoba and Quebec on gross salaries.
The tax rates are 1.95%- 4.26%.
 
Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2018 Report

Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Institute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.

This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have decreased since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 19.8 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—shorter than the wait of 21.2 weeks reported in 2017. This year’s wait time is 113% longer than in 1993, when it was just 9.3 weeks.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2018
 
Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2018 Report

Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Institute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.

This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have decreased since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 19.8 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—shorter than the wait of 21.2 weeks reported in 2017. This year’s wait time is 113% longer than in 1993, when it was just 9.3 weeks.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2018

Can't we just see the wait times for 300-400 million Americans? And the taxes too! Wonder why the lefties are oblivious to the realities?
 
Can't we just see the wait times for 300-400 million Americans? And the taxes too! Wonder why the lefties are oblivious to the realities?

The liberal left is not oblivious; they are ignorant and agenda driven. If they were informed and really wanted excellent healthcare, they wouldn't be clamoring for the failed systems in Canada and Europe.
 
Universal Health Care in Canada: A Colossal Government Failure

Waiting, Waiting, Waiting for a Doctor

According to a Fraser Institute survey, for medically necessary treatment, the median waiting time for patients in Canada from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist, and then to the date of actual treatment, was 21.2 weeks in 2017.

This year’s [2017] wait time — the longest ever recorded in this survey’s history — is 128% longer than in 1993, when it was just 9.3 weeks.

Research has repeatedly indicated that wait times for medically necessary treatment are not benign inconveniences. Wait times can, and do, have serious consequences such as increased pain, suffering, and mental anguish. In certain instances, they can also result in poorer medical outcomes — transforming potentially reversible illnesses or injuries into chronic, irreversible conditions, or even permanent disabilities.

https://mises.org/wire/universal-health-care-canada-colossal-government-failure
 
Wait times? That what you present as a crushing problem. We have wait problems and service denial problem in the US. We spend a fortune for lower quality care and limited access. And we have wait times, some places and some places, terrible ones. Cost, we spend double for less . What crappy argument.
 
Wait times? That what you present as a crushing problem. We have wait problems and service denial problem in the US. We spend a fortune for lower quality care and limited access. And we have wait times, some places and some places, terrible ones. Cost, we spend double for less . What crappy argument.

Buy some good/better insurance! If you can't afford it find a better job Trump's economy is soaring! Plenty of jobs Nordi buddy! Even lefties can get jobs in the Trump economy!

My wait times are 3 to 5 days for a GP appointment and 5 to 7 days for a specialist appointment. Get your ass off of Medicaid Nordi!!!!! BTW, my federal income tax liability in America is about 7% thanks to Trump! My State income tax liability is ZERO!
 
Buy some good/better insurance! If you can't afford it find a better job Trump's economy is soaring! Plenty of jobs Nordi buddy! Even lefties can get jobs in the Trump economy!

My wait times are 3 to 5 days for a GP appointment and 5 to 7 days for a specialist appointment. Get your ass off of Medicaid Nordi!!!!! BTW, my federal income tax liability in America is about 7% thanks to Trump! My State income tax liability is ZERO!

You say the cost is a problem, and in my case cost is the solution. try and make sense,
 
You say the cost is a problem, and in my case cost is the solution. try and make sense,

If you stand by your desire Nordi buddy to exchange much shorter waiting times in America for months waiting times, I do respect your right to promote such insanity, but if you think the cost of America's health insurance is high now I truly hope you get to experience the cost of Federal Single Payer, since you choose to ignore the failings of Single Payer socialist systems around the world!
 
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