China

[Reverend Bones]

.China's economy will double in 11 years and there population will peak in 2032. They spend massively on infrastructure spending and are increasing military spending. They have the best trade policy in the world. They have a better business environment then the EU or the United States. Europe currently suffers not from demographic problems but do to a bad business environment. China has a shrinking labor force. A shrinking labor force puts downward pressure on unemployment and upward pressure on wages which should make a country temporarily better off. Until Europe gets its unemployment down why would anyone think there problems are demographic? More people would mean higher unemployment. Bad demographics only matter and are real once you reach full employment. More people would just mean more unemployment. Unemployed people cost governments money as do people with low wages. The money that gets spent on the unemployed could go to secure social security, pension plans and health care. Does anyone think that China will not be able to prosper during a demographic collapse? Fewer people means fewer problems for a government. Fewer people should help ensure food security and energy security. China's ability to import natural resources is not hurt by demographic crises and the fewer people the less resources it needs. Obviously after over a century of population decline a country may be finished off. China's birth rate is higher than Western Europe’s and China may have advantages in reversing the birth rate after its population peaks. Until a country achieves full employment it is not suffering demographic problems yet. Countries in demographic crisis should have labor shortages not high unemployment. China is a great power with vast resources and nuclear weapons. It has allies throughout the world. It has rapidly industrialized and is the largest exporter. China is moving up the economic ladder and in 20 years will be a leader in innovation. If they do truly head down the same path as Japan then their economy would one day be over twice the size of the U.S. It will be easy for China to have a larger economy then the U.S because they have over 4 times as many people as the U.S. 70% of the U.S economy is based on the consumption of goods and services. How hard do you really think it is for the Chinese to consume half as much as the average American? An economy is mostly manufacturing, agriculture and the consumption of goods and services. America's edge in business and technology innovation adds little to GDP in any given year. Every technology that is invented China will eventually end up with it. Every new business practice will be analyzed by Chinese businesses. For China to speed past us after achieving a larger economy is unlikely. There are limits to growth and the U.S economy will not stand still. Will China's population declines America's will continue to grow. The U.S is larger than China because of Alaska and the U.S has more natural resources.

 

[Airstrip One]

Nice to see you posting again.

 

[Reverend Bones]

Why did you change your Avatar?

 

[Airstrip One]

A jealous hater told me that if I'm really a patrician, I should sport a monocle, cane, and top hat like the Planters peanut guy, so I took her up on it. Then she ran away from the site because she was picking so many fights.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Nice to see you posting again.

Is Legion back?

 

[Steelplate]

Not to mention that China is doing a lot of it with smoke and mirrors.

They have devalued their currency to the point where no one can compete with them, they demand that if you want to sell your goods there, you build a factory and have them manufacture it there...the put a 25% tariff on Imports too.

That's not to mention the repeated cyber espionage attacks that they've perpetrated against us....sorry, not a big fan of China. I think we ought to show them who's boss and pull all American business out of there. Let 'em go back to the rice paddies.

 

[cancel2 2022]

.China's economy will double in 11 years and there population will peak in 2032. They spend massively on infrastructure spending and are increasing military spending. They have the best trade policy in the world. They have a better business environment then the EU or the United States. Europe currently suffers not from demographic problems but do to a bad business environment. China has a shrinking labor force. A shrinking labor force puts downward pressure on unemployment and upward pressure on wages which should make a country temporarily better off. Until Europe gets its unemployment down why would anyone think there problems are demographic? More people would mean higher unemployment. Bad demographics only matter and are real once you reach full employment. More people would just mean more unemployment. Unemployed people cost governments money as do people with low wages. The money that gets spent on the unemployed could go to secure social security, pension plans and health care. Does anyone think that China will not be able to prosper during a demographic collapse? Fewer people means fewer problems for a government. Fewer people should help ensure food security and energy security. China's ability to import natural resources is not hurt by demographic crises and the fewer people the less resources it needs. Obviously after over a century of population decline a country may be finished off. China's birth rate is higher than Western Europe’s and China may have advantages in reversing the birth rate after its population peaks. Until a country achieves full employment it is not suffering demographic problems yet. Countries in demographic crisis should have labor shortages not high unemployment. China is a great power with vast resources and nuclear weapons. It has allies throughout the world. It has rapidly industrialized and is the largest exporter. China is moving up the economic ladder and in 20 years will be a leader in innovation. If they do truly head down the same path as Japan then their economy would one day be over twice the size of the U.S. It will be easy for China to have a larger economy then the U.S because they have over 4 times as many people as the U.S. 70% of the U.S economy is based on the consumption of goods and services. How hard do you really think it is for the Chinese to consume half as much as the average American? An economy is mostly manufacturing, agriculture and the consumption of goods and services. America's edge in business and technology innovation adds little to GDP in any given year. Every technology that is invented China will eventually end up with it. Every new business practice will be analyzed by Chinese businesses. For China to speed past us after achieving a larger economy is unlikely. There are limits to growth and the U.S economy will not stand still. Will China's population declines America's will continue to grow. The U.S is larger than China because of Alaska and the U.S has more natural resources.

Have you ever heard of paragraphs?

 

[Steelplate]

Have you ever heard of paragraphs?

Paragraphs are for the weak willed! Real men don't need no paragraphs(pssst...I only got through about the first quarter and the last few sentences).

 

[The Dude]

None of these butthole surfers are interesting enough or a paragraph.
China's auto market is already bigger than ours!

 

[Don Quixote]

.China's economy will double in 11 years and there population will peak in 2032. They spend massively on infrastructure spending and are increasing military spending. They have the best trade policy in the world. They have a better business environment then the EU or the United States. Europe currently suffers not from demographic problems but do to a bad business environment. China has a shrinking labor force. A shrinking labor force puts downward pressure on unemployment and upward pressure on wages which should make a country temporarily better off. Until Europe gets its unemployment down why would anyone think there problems are demographic? More people would mean higher unemployment. Bad demographics only matter and are real once you reach full employment. More people would just mean more unemployment. Unemployed people cost governments money as do people with low wages. The money that gets spent on the unemployed could go to secure social security, pension plans and health care. Does anyone think that China will not be able to prosper during a demographic collapse? Fewer people means fewer problems for a government. Fewer people should help ensure food security and energy security. China's ability to import natural resources is not hurt by demographic crises and the fewer people the less resources it needs. Obviously after over a century of population decline a country may be finished off. China's birth rate is higher than Western Europe’s and China may have advantages in reversing the birth rate after its population peaks. Until a country achieves full employment it is not suffering demographic problems yet. Countries in demographic crisis should have labor shortages not high unemployment. China is a great power with vast resources and nuclear weapons. It has allies throughout the world. It has rapidly industrialized and is the largest exporter. China is moving up the economic ladder and in 20 years will be a leader in innovation. If they do truly head down the same path as Japan then their economy would one day be over twice the size of the U.S. It will be easy for China to have a larger economy then the U.S because they have over 4 times as many people as the U.S. 70% of the U.S economy is based on the consumption of goods and services. How hard do you really think it is for the Chinese to consume half as much as the average American? An economy is mostly manufacturing, agriculture and the consumption of goods and services. America's edge in business and technology innovation adds little to GDP in any given year. Every technology that is invented China will eventually end up with it. Every new business practice will be analyzed by Chinese businesses. For China to speed past us after achieving a larger economy is unlikely. There are limits to growth and the U.S economy will not stand still. Will China's population declines America's will continue to grow. The U.S is larger than China because of Alaska and the U.S has more natural resources.

there are two major problems for china

1 - too many brideless males (about 20% of the population) due to the killing of infant females due to ancestor worship that requires a male heir where only a single child is permitted a couple and a with a large proportion of its population of young males unable to procure brides, the winds of either expansion via war or revolution blow

2 - a large rural population that wants the goods that the well off are able to purchase (in some rural areas automobiles are overturned or stoned) - china does not have the resources to bring its lower class workers and rural workers into the middle class

 

[Reverend Bones]

Not to mention that China is doing a lot of it with smoke and mirrors.

They have devalued their currency to the point where no one can compete with them, they demand that if you want to sell your goods there, you build a factory and have them manufacture it there...the put a 25% tariff on Imports too.

That's not to mention the repeated cyber espionage attacks that they've perpetrated against us....sorry, not a big fan of China. I think we ought to show them who's boss and pull all American business out of there. Let 'em go back to the rice paddies.

China's currency is far more valuable to Japan's. Any country that has above a 10:1 ratio with the dollar has not seriously devalued their currency yet. It is 6.15 Chinese Yuan per dollar. China has a strong currency when compared to most countries on earth. Winning a million Yuan is still a lot of money. It is 102.23 Japanese Yen per dollar at the moment and the Japanese currency is considered strong at the moment. Until the Chinese currency actually becomes weak they are not truly a currency manipulator. Every country is printing money at the money to keep their currencies weak including the U.S. China's currency continues to increase in value it is strengthening just not as fast as any wants.

 

[Reverend Bones]

there are two major problems for china

1 - too many brideless males (about 20% of the population) due to the killing of infant females due to ancestor worship that requires a male heir where only a single child is permitted a couple and a with a large proportion of its population of young males unable to procure brides, the winds of either expansion via war or revolution blow

2 - a large rural population that wants the goods that the well off are able to purchase (in some rural areas automobiles are overturned or stoned) - china does not have the resources to bring its lower class workers and rural workers into the middle class

Poor men will be unable to find wives which will help to reduce/ prevent future poverty. Also this will help the sex industry boom. China will develop the resources to bring its lower classes out of poverty by continuing to rapidly grow the economy. China's labor force is shrinking which will put an upward pressure on wages and a downward pressure on unemployment. If China increases their agricultural subsidies then the Rural people would be kept happy.

 

[Airstrip One]

Is Legion back?

God, no. But this fellow has a huge fixation on China, and will go on endlessly about it. I figure it's a good thing if he stays here this time and utilizes this site as an outlet to get it out of his system.

 

[Lowaicue]

Not to mention that China is doing a lot of it with smoke and mirrors.

They have devalued their currency to the point where no one can compete with them, they demand that if you want to sell your goods there, you build a factory and have them manufacture it there...the put a 25% tariff on Imports too.

That's not to mention the repeated cyber espionage attacks that they've perpetrated against us....sorry, not a big fan of China. I think we ought to show them who's boss and pull all American business out of there. Let 'em go back to the rice paddies.

'I think we ought to show them who's boss'.
Who would that be then? It sure as hell ain't the US.

 

[Don Quixote]

'I think we ought to show them who's boss'.
Who would that be then? It sure as hell ain't the US.

if not the u s, then whom?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Not to mention that China is doing a lot of it with smoke and mirrors.

They have devalued their currency to the point where no one can compete with them,

The Yuan has risen in comparison to the dollar over the past few years as China seeks to avoid the middle income trap by switching to a consumption based economy. The Communist leadership is able to set long term goals for policy, unlike the Americans who are like children without self control, only thinking of thing moment.

they demand that if you want to sell your goods there, you build a factory and have them manufacture it there...

What are you talking about?

the put a 25% tariff on Imports too.

As in all countries, the tariff laws are complex and depend on the good, you cannot simplify things to a flat 25% tariff for all goods, that's idiotic nonsense.

That's not to mention the repeated cyber espionage attacks that they've perpetrated against us....sorry, not a big fan of China. I think we ought to show them who's boss and pull all American business out of there. Let 'em go back to the rice paddies.

China does not depend on America. America is a fading power. The only thing forcing American businesses, against their will, out of the Chinese market would do is hasten Americas decline. You really want to force our businesses to abandon one of the few growth markets left in the world? How pathetic. As for you're comment about rice, you're a fucking racist, the Chinese can succeed, they don't need America and other colonialist masters.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

China's currency is far more valuable to Japan's. Any country that has above a 10:1 ratio with the dollar has not seriously devalued their currency yet. It is 6.15 Chinese Yuan per dollar. China has a strong currency when compared to most countries on earth. Winning a million Yuan is still a lot of money. It is 102.23 Japanese Yen per dollar at the moment and the Japanese currency is considered strong at the moment. Until the Chinese currency actually becomes weak they are not truly a currency manipulator. Every country is printing money at the money to keep their currencies weak including the U.S. China's currency continues to increase in value it is strengthening just not as fast as any wants.

The absolute value of the base unit of the currency doesn't matter. The Yen is not more devalued than the Yuan simply because it's base divisible unit is smaller. In fact, most would say the Yen is severely overvalued, and it's putting strain on the Japanese economy. This is one reason that Shinzo Abe is giving the Japanese central bank leeway to print more money, to lower the value of the Yen and make them more competitive again.

How "overvalued" or "undervalued" a currency is depends on market factors. China plays games like buying US debt to make the dollar stronger to make the Yuan weaker in comparison - this is what people speak of when talking about these things. Not the absolute value of the divisible unit. The Yen could easily just declare the base unit to be some denomination that is worth a hundred yens, they would become a hundred times more "valuable" by your metric, but it would have no real effect.

 

[Steelplate]

Not to mention that China is doing a lot of it with smoke and mirrors.



The Yuan has risen in comparison to the dollar over the past few years as China seeks to avoid the middle income trap by switching to a consumption based economy. The Communist leadership is able to set long term goals for policy, unlike the Americans who are like children without self control, only thinking of thing moment.



What are you talking about?



As in all countries, the tariff laws are complex and depend on the good, you cannot simplify things to a flat 25% tariff for all goods, that's idiotic nonsense.



China does not depend on America. America is a fading power. The only thing forcing American businesses, against their will, out of the Chinese market would do is hasten Americas decline. You really want to force our businesses to abandon one of the few growth markets left in the world? How pathetic. As for you're comment about rice, you're a fucking racist, the Chinese can succeed, they don't need America and other colonialist masters.

Fuck you...go move to China then Mao.

EDIT: they require us to build plants there if we want to sell there. They demand the rights to intellectual property so they can build cheap replicas.

If we are such a "fading" power, why all the cyber attacks? They are purposely trying to fuck with our national security, and our governmental networks. We made a deal with the Devil when we gave them most favored nation status. American investment exploded their economy and now we are reaping the whirlwind... all because of short term greed and the desire for labor at damn near slave wages.

The Conglomerate is at fault...but it's us citizens(as fucking ALWAYS) that pays the price.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Fuck you...go move to China then Mao.

No, fuck you, you ignorant racist, resident of a fading power. America's had just 50 years in the sun, surely this is the briefest stint as a world power the world has ever seen.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Stop being a pathetic little bitch just because you're ignorant and I owned you.