Christofascist terrorists at it again

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uscitizen

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Bomb found at women's clinic
POSTED: 6:15 p.m. EDT, April 26, 2007


(CNN) -- An explosive device "which could have caused substantial harm" was found Wednesday in the parking lot of an Austin, Texas, women's clinic where abortions are performed, authorities said.

"It was configured in such a way as to cause serious bodily injury or death," Austin Police Assistant Chief David Carter told reporters Thursday.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/26/clinic.bomb/index.html
 
I don't know about typical not being news. The escapades of actors are still news but typical actions for them.
 
uscitizen said:
I don't know about typical not being news. The escapades of actors are still news but typical actions for them.
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There are quite a few more fundies than there are successful actors. Were it typical bombs would be paving our roads... Well, not quite that many, but so many that it wouldn't likely be considered news. Most fundies are not out to get you.
 
Damocles said:
There are quite a few more fundies than there are successful actors. Were it typical bombs would be paving our roads... Well, not quite that many, but so many that it wouldn't likely be considered news. Most fundies are not out to get you.
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Not our roads. Just abortion clinics. i have to say, I'm not surprised.
 
Damo is right, of course. If fundamental Christians (Christofacists) behaved the way fundamental Muslims (Islamofacists) did, our country would look more like those of the middle east and Canada would also be a target for being "godless."

However, every time something like this happens it is hampering to those who are trying to be true Christians in this country. It gives the whole of Christianity a black eye as many (Check with robdawg) will see it that "all Christians" are this way and resort to these tactics.
 
uscitizen said:
Bomb found at women's clinic
POSTED: 6:15 p.m. EDT, April 26, 2007


(CNN) -- An explosive device "which could have caused substantial harm" was found Wednesday in the parking lot of an Austin, Texas, women's clinic where abortions are performed, authorities said.

"It was configured in such a way as to cause serious bodily injury or death," Austin Police Assistant Chief David Carter told reporters Thursday.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/26/clinic.bomb/index.html
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I see the "culture of life" wingnuts, are at it again :mad:
 
leaningright said:
Damo is right, of course. If fundamental Christians (Christofacists) behaved the way fundamental Muslims (Islamofacists) did, our country would look more like those of the middle east and Canada would also be a target for being "godless."

However, every time something like this happens it is hampering to those who are trying to be true Christians in this country. It gives the whole of Christianity a black eye as many (Check with robdawg) will see it that "all Christians" are this way and resort to these tactics.
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They aren't desperate or oppressed enough. Yet. Therein lies the difference in tactics. Morally and ethically I see no distinction at all.
 
leaningright said:
Damo is right, of course. If fundamental Christians (Christofacists) behaved the way fundamental Muslims (Islamofacists) did, our country would look more like those of the middle east and Canada would also be a target for being "godless."

However, every time something like this happens it is hampering to those who are trying to be true Christians in this country. It gives the whole of Christianity a black eye as many (Check with robdawg) will see it that "all Christians" are this way and resort to these tactics.
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I don't think militant christians are fundamentally any worse or any better than islamic militants. Eric Rudolph certainly intended to kill as many people as he could, in the Atlanta bombing.

The difference is, in the last 200 years, the West has moved towards separation of church and state. Secular goverments, in effect. At least I think, that explains part of it. The militants are unable to project their sickness into public policy. Nor are they able to use the levers of public policy for jihad or crusade.

The islamic world, to some degree, does not see separation of church and state in the same way we do. And where you do have secular democratic islamic countries, where there is a clear social consensus for the benefit of separation and delineation between church and state, they are moderately succesful and peaceful; i.e., Turkey.
 
Cypress said:
I don't think militant christians are fundamentally any worse or any better than islamic militants. Eric Rudolph certainly intended to kill as many people as he could, in the Atlanta bombing.

The difference is, in the last 200 years, the West has moved towards separation of church and state. Secular goverments, in effect. At least I think, that explains part of it. The militants are unable to project their sickness into public policy. Nor are they able to use the levers of public policy for jihad or crusade.

The islamic world, to some degree, does not see separation of church and state in the same way we do. And where you do have secular democratic islamic countries, where there is a clear social consensus for the benefit of separation and delineation between church and state, they are moderately succesful and peaceful; i.e., Turkey.
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Don't discount the relative prosperity of the bulk of fundamentalist Christians. Terrorism and guerrila warfare are tactics of necessity: rarely do people who are less than desperate embrace them.

Where do you see violent religious extremism? Generally in very poor nations or nations where the gap between rich and poor has grown unreasonably vast.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
They aren't desperate or oppressed enough. Yet. Therein lies the difference in tactics. Morally and ethically I see no distinction at all.
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Addressing your last sentence I will say that I agree. In both the Muslim religion and the Christian religion there are morals that overlap, if you will. I have a Muslim friend from Palestine (now lives here and works here) and we talk religion often. Our morals are the same....exactly....on issues like marraige/divorce remarraige, homosexuality, observance of worship, etc.

But the idea that either want to to take over the world in any way is to give more credibility to the voice of the extremists in both religions than they deserve.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
Don't discount the relative prosperity of the bulk of fundamentalist Christians. Terrorism and guerrila warfare are tactics of necessity: rarely do people who are less than desperate embrace them.

Where do you see violent religious extremism? Generally in very poor nations or nations where the gap between rich and poor has grown unreasonably vast.
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Indeed. This is a "chicken or egg" came first thing.

To my knowledge, all modern prosperous societies, grew out of the secular, liberal tradition: where clear boundaries between state and church were delineated.

I suppose the prosperity of christian nations, can at least be indirectly traced to the establishment of secular, liberal democracies, and meritocracies - as opposed the old theocracies, and the old State/Church symbiosis.
 
leaningright said:
Addressing your last sentence I will say that I agree. In both the Muslim religion and the Christian religion there are morals that overlap, if you will. I have a Muslim friend from Palestine (now lives here and works here) and we talk religion often. Our morals are the same....exactly....on issues like marraige/divorce remarraige, homosexuality, observance of worship, etc.

But the idea that either want to to take over the world in any way is to give more credibility to the voice of the extremists in both religions than they deserve.
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That is a workable definition of "fundamentalist": someone who believes that not only is their own moral creed the correct one but that everyone else should be converted to that creed for their own good. Someone who wants to take over the world, in other words. And fundamentalism breeds terrorism under conditions of social stress. In Lebanon, for example, the Christian terrorists are every bit as violent and ugly as the Muslim terrorists.

It's fundamentalism that is the root of the evil, not either Islam or Christianity as such.
 
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