CIA chief: Waterboarding aided bin Laden raid

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WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.

"Enhanced interrogation techniques" were used to extract information that led to the mission's success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.

Panetta, who in a 2009 CIA confirmation hearing declared "waterboarding is torture and it's wrong," said Tuesday that debate about its use will continue.

"Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question," Panetta said.

"In the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here," Panetta said. "We had a multiple source — a multiple series of sources — that provided information with regards to the situation. Clearly some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees but we also had information from other sources as well."

Panetta's comments hours after Attorney General Eric Holder defended as lawful Tuesday the intelligence gathering and raid that resulted in the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

The raid was "lawful, legitimate and appropriate in every way. The people who were responsible for that action, both in the decision making and the effecting of that decision, handled themselves I think quite well,'' Holder told the House Judiciary Committee.

Bin Laden was killed at a heavily fortified home in an affluent suburb north of Islamabad, Pakistan.



http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42880435/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/


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Libtards heads exploding in 5 4 3 2 1....
 
wow....who are the other sources saying we got the information not waterboarding....so far....they're anonymous

apparently, if this is accurate...i stand corrected
 
Someone should send the above post to 2 of our resident pinheads......TaiChiLiberal and Christiefan.....(and others) but those two need
help in the worse way......their hackish nonsense is laughable and embarrassing....

The spinners are working overtime, and the deniers are doing their best to hide and camouflage the facts.......

Only the most gullible asshole apologists will drink the lefts koolade to deny "enhanced interrogation" absolutely works and worked in this case to kill Osama......
 
Yurt said:
wow....who are the other sources saying we got the information not waterboarding....so far....they're anonymous

apparently, if this is accurate...i stand corrected
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Rumsfeld contradicts this!

Washingtontimes.com
 
Lots of conflicting reports, but I welcome the debate on waterboarding. If it's true, does that change the equation? If it works, then do it?

What kind of country would everyone prefer America to be?
 
if waterboarding, the old or new method, is deemed torture...the US cannot legally, nor should it morally, be involved in waterboarding. at one time i was unsure of where i stood, because, if you torture someone and it saves just one life....is it worth it? what about 1 million lives? and so forth.

i don't have a clue about interrogation techniques...especially federal approved techniques for "soldiers" or enemy combatants. they are most often not your run of the mill street thug. the debate rages on, but i feel remiss to sit from my arm chair and be a warrior proclaiming from on high that -- this is the way it is.

btw....don't we have drugs that can loosen these guys lips?
 
Jarod said:
Rumsfeld contradicts this!

Washingtontimes.com
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Rumsfeld doesn't contradict this. Rummy basically said we don't (and didn't) torture KSM. It's funny how you ran around for 8 years claiming we were torturing people, and now you have to depend on Rummy to argue that we didn't torture the freaking mastermind of 9/11.... Well, if there was no "torture" of KSM, then there was never ANY torture! He's the Top Prize... the man who knows all! What logical reasoning would suggest we interrogated him LESS than anyone else?

You fuckwits writhed in the floor over ALL INTERROGATION happening under Bush/Cheney and decried ALL OF IT as "TORTURE!" You did this for nearly 8 years SOLID, and now all of a sudden, you just want everyone to totally forget that and pretend you never took that position. This is really amusing to me.
 
Yurt said:
if waterboarding, the old or new method, is deemed torture...the US cannot legally, nor should it morally, be involved in waterboarding. at one time i was unsure of where i stood, because, if you torture someone and it saves just one life....is it worth it? what about 1 million lives? and so forth.

i don't have a clue about interrogation techniques...especially federal approved techniques for "soldiers" or enemy combatants. they are most often not your run of the mill street thug. the debate rages on, but i feel remiss to sit from my arm chair and be a warrior proclaiming from on high that -- this is the way it is.

btw....don't we have drugs that can loosen these guys lips?
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There's a legit debate to be had on the topic; it's certainly not cut & dry. I'm not immune to the idea that it can save lives at times.

But America is bigger than that; we really do represent something around the world. If we torture, we're no better than them, whoever they are.

So, as you mentioned, the question is: does waterboarding cross that threshold? I don't really think there is a doubt. I'll accept it if someone wants to call it a milder form of torture, but it's not an "enhanced technique"...
 
Onceler said:
There's a legit debate to be had on the topic; it's certainly not cut & dry. I'm not immune to the idea that it can save lives at times.

But America is bigger than that; we really do represent something around the world. If we torture, we're no better than them, whoever they are.

So, as you mentioned, the question is: does waterboarding cross that threshold? I don't really think there is a doubt. I'll accept it if someone wants to call it a milder form of torture, but it's not an "enhanced technique"...
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In other words, had YOU been calling the shots, had it all been left up to YOU.... we would not have killed or found OBL.

Thanks for that clarification.
 
Onceler said:
There's a legit debate to be had on the topic; it's certainly not cut & dry. I'm not immune to the idea that it can save lives at times.

But America is bigger than that; we really do represent something around the world. If we torture, we're no better than them, whoever they are.

So, as you mentioned, the question is: does waterboarding cross that threshold? I don't really think there is a doubt. I'll accept it if someone wants to call it a milder form of torture, but it's not an "enhanced technique"...
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fair enough. but that is your opinion and is based on your beliefs and what others have said. granted, my opinions are based on the same. when reading the treaties signed by the US....the current, if you will, form of waterboarding has a strong argument for being defined as torture. where i struggle is, as a society, do we hold fast to the rule of law when faced with imminent death? do we hold fast to the rule of what is torture or not, if, torture could save millions? pure speculation and a pure slippery slope. i believe we were operating under a similar type atmosphere after 9/11.

the reason i will not state a definite opinion on this, is because i have no clue what techniques elicit what from whom. i agree with you that if we act like them, then we are no better, and if we win....then we are merely stronger, but still....no moral high ground. it is a tough debate, because lives could be at stake.
 
Dixie said:
In other words, had YOU been calling the shots, had it all been left up to YOU.... we would not have killed or found OBL.

Thanks for that clarification.
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The ends do not justify the means for me, no. Do they for you?

I assume so. You have always basically implied that you have no moral compass on your own.
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;809441 said:
So, you hate and deride Leon Panetta until and unless he says something that bolsters your desire to torture people?

Got it.
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Got a link with somebody here "hating" Leon Panetta?
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;809452 said:
Why, yes, Dalai Damocles, I do:








I have more, should the bloodthirstiest Buddhist I've ever encountered desire.

Namaste.
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What exactly is "hateful" when asking about experience? You seem to have huge issues with actual reading comprehension. Simply pointing out the head of the CIA saying something isn't "support" nor is asking about experience "hate", you seem confused and should probably get back to your remedial reading courses so you don't make silly mistakes in the future.
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;809456 said:
So you love Leon Panetta, were not intending to deride the man for who you expressed such high regard?

How fitting.
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None of what you posted shows "love" or "hate" Leon Panetta, that's where the disconnect is. He said something that was quoted. Do you really think that posting a quote equals "love"? If that were the case the democrats on the board clearly "love" GWB. It's just nonsense.

Now, you can actually participate in the conversation or you can continue with this obvious trolling nonsense, it's up to you. I plan on continuing with my life as if you were pretty much a worthless waste of oxygen regardless.
 
Type Panetta in the forum search window and you'll see a long list of threads exemplifying the right's regard for Mr. Panneta.

Enjoy!
 
Dixie said:
Rumsfeld doesn't contradict this. Rummy basically said we don't (and didn't) torture KSM. It's funny how you ran around for 8 years claiming we were torturing people, and now you have to depend on Rummy to argue that we didn't torture the freaking mastermind of 9/11.... Well, if there was no "torture" of KSM, then there was never ANY torture! He's the Top Prize... the man who knows all! What logical reasoning would suggest we interrogated him LESS than anyone else?

You fuckwits writhed in the floor over ALL INTERROGATION happening under Bush/Cheney and decried ALL OF IT as "TORTURE!" You did this for nearly 8 years SOLID, and now all of a sudden, you just want everyone to totally forget that and pretend you never took that position. This is really amusing to me.
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Instead of telling us what Rummy said, why dont you post the quote? WHat you claim he said, he did not, you are lying again.
 
Dixie said:
In other words, had YOU been calling the shots, had it all been left up to YOU.... we would not have killed or found OBL.

Thanks for that clarification.
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You cant say that but for waterboarding we would not have found UBL, you just cant say that.
 
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