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"Just give everybody the chance to live the life they want" is a nice way of putting it. Isn't that at the heart of the American dream?

People making a big deal out of opposing gay marriage tend to look even more ridiculous at times like these, when real issues are clear as day....
 
while we're at it, I would like to redefine the meaning of "your house" so that it also means "my house".....are you okay with that?....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
what's unreasonable about a definition of marriage that's a thousand years plus old....
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You think the passage of time equates to better values?

How do you feel about slavery, torture, mysogyny, oppression & superstition?

Your arguments, as always, get weaker & weaker as things move along...
 
it isn't reasonable that you want to deprive me of the happiness of owning your house....

You think the passage of time equates to better values?
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your mistake is equating "values" with "definition"

How do you feel about slavery, torture, mysogyny, oppression & superstition?
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we should redefine them to mean "sugar and spice and everything nice".....you're so selfish.....
 
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness comes to mind.

do not hate others because they are different as long as they are not impacting your pursuit of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
what's unreasonable about a definition of marriage that's a thousand years plus old....
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Maybe its not a thousand years old?

http://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html

"Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual. Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John."
 
britney spears marriage = good --> 55 hours

gay marriage = bad --> can last a life time

but --> 55 hours is what marriage is all about
 
This argument is old and misapplied.

Marriage has three aspects.

1. The Religious - The government has nothing to do with this. Gay people can, and do, go to churches and get Married without the government's approval or "blessing", nobody is getting arrested for this.
2. The "Moral". You make a promise, you either keep it or not. Gay people can and do make these promises and keep them daily.
3. The "Legal". The government "endorses" through recognition certain specific relationships based on what? They can't base it on religion.

IMO, the government shouldn't be interfering, either through "recognizing" or through direct negative action (arresting and charging), in anything that does not have a victim. There is no direct victim of "gay marriage" so long as they are adults.

Seeing as it is factual that gays get married daily, it is stupid to reject simple recognition based on weak arguments. Let people do what they will, it really isn't any of our business so long as they are both consenting and both adults.
 
WinterBorn said:
Maybe its not a thousand years old?

http://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html

"Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual. Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John."
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an amusing article, which shows you how far people are willing to bastardize science in an effort to justify their abnormal behavior.......take something, pretend it means something else, build a theory on top of it, then paste it into a thousand gayrights websites hoping people will mistake it for a serious study......brilliant!.....

for a more accurate description of what occurred, I give you this....
http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2002May/may23tru.htm
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
an amusing article, which shows you how far people are willing to bastardize science in an effort to justify their abnormal behavior.......take something, pretend it means something else, build a theory on top of it, then paste it into a thousand gayrights websites hoping people will mistake it for a serious study......brilliant!.....
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seriously? hetero marriage is fucked up. why are you crying about gay marriage?
 
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