Comments on whether Joe Biden should run for re-election.

Ross Dolan

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Frank Bruni’s column from yesterday’s New York Times is a masterpiece. It speaks to the reasons that while 80% of Democrats and independents feel that Joe Biden has done an excellent job as president…nearly that same amount also feel he should not run again in 2024.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/09/opinion/biden-age-trump-.html

Here are portions for those of you who cannot get past the paywall:


An overwhelming majority of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic believe that President Biden has done a good job — 81 and 78 percent, respectively, according to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll.

(snip)

Regardless, 58 percent of those same Democrats and independents said that they want a Democratic presidential candidate other than Biden in 2024. They seem to like him. They’re apparently grateful for him. Yet they’re ready to kick him to the curb.

It doesn’t add up. And the person to whom the arithmetic must feel strangest — and coldest — is Biden.

During his State of the Union address on Tuesday night, he strongly signaled that he’ll seek re-election. So that settles that? I don’t think so, not when you factor in the metabolism of politics today, the predictable unpredictability of the world, and his age, 80, which comes with the increased possibility of deteriorating health and sudden illness.

The worries about his ability to endure the rigors of a presidential campaign and come out a winner aren’t going away. Nor will the calls for him to wise up, stand down and let a younger, fresher, more dynamic Democrat claim the center of the stage.

My Times colleague Michelle Goldberg issued such a plea in a column on Monday. I second it. I agree with her analysis, including her assessment of a Democratic bench deeper and more interesting than the party’s perpetually self-doubting downers realize. I wrote about that bench last November — and I didn’t even include Gov. Wes Moore of Maryland or Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, promising leaders for whom 2024 is just a bit too soon.
But I nonetheless want to pause and fully acknowledge what an extraordinary and difficult thing Michelle, I and others are asking Biden to do.


(snip)

In saving us from a second term of Trump, Biden quite likely saved us from ruin. And so … we’re done with him?

That’s beyond cold. It’s close to cruel.


(snip)

I know because my doubts aren’t quieted. I registered his endearing brio as he made his remarks, but I also registered his stumbles, the moments when he seemed to lose his way. He has had many of them over recent years. There are surely many, many more to come.

(snip)

Campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, Biden told us to choose him over the other contenders because the stakes of depriving Trump a second term were incalculable and he was the safest bet against Trump. He carried the least risk.

Well, the stakes in 2024 aren’t much different, whether or not Trump secures his party’s nomination, because whichever Republican emerges victorious from the Republican primaries will have been touched and corrupted by Trump’s election denialism, his attacks on democratic institutions, his zest for provocation, his resentments, his divisiveness.

So, Democrats once again need to tread a cautious path. That caution explains the paradox of the poll I previously mentioned, and that caution is Biden’s lesson and legacy — which is how he should look at it. Democratic voters aren’t faithless or fickle. They’re fearful, just as he told them to be.
In other words, they’ve been listening to what he’s been saying since Trump came along. That’s a compliment to him. It’s a tribute. May he bask in it.
 
I did not used to think that M Obama wanted the gig....she has always claimed that the does not......but I have changed my mind.

It would be either her or Newsome I think......that is who the regime would attempt to install.
 
Frank Bruni’s column from yesterday’s New York Times is a masterpiece. It speaks to the reasons that while 80% of Democrats and independents feel that Joe Biden has done an excellent job as president…nearly that same amount also feel he should not run again in 2024.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/09/opinion/biden-age-trump-.html

Here are portions for those of you who cannot get past the paywall:


An overwhelming majority of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic believe that President Biden has done a good job — 81 and 78 percent, respectively, according to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll.

(snip)

Regardless, 58 percent of those same Democrats and independents said that they want a Democratic presidential candidate other than Biden in 2024. They seem to like him. They’re apparently grateful for him. Yet they’re ready to kick him to the curb.

It doesn’t add up. And the person to whom the arithmetic must feel strangest — and coldest — is Biden.

During his State of the Union address on Tuesday night, he strongly signaled that he’ll seek re-election. So that settles that? I don’t think so, not when you factor in the metabolism of politics today, the predictable unpredictability of the world, and his age, 80, which comes with the increased possibility of deteriorating health and sudden illness.

The worries about his ability to endure the rigors of a presidential campaign and come out a winner aren’t going away. Nor will the calls for him to wise up, stand down and let a younger, fresher, more dynamic Democrat claim the center of the stage.

My Times colleague Michelle Goldberg issued such a plea in a column on Monday. I second it. I agree with her analysis, including her assessment of a Democratic bench deeper and more interesting than the party’s perpetually self-doubting downers realize. I wrote about that bench last November — and I didn’t even include Gov. Wes Moore of Maryland or Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, promising leaders for whom 2024 is just a bit too soon.
But I nonetheless want to pause and fully acknowledge what an extraordinary and difficult thing Michelle, I and others are asking Biden to do.


(snip)

In saving us from a second term of Trump, Biden quite likely saved us from ruin. And so … we’re done with him?

That’s beyond cold. It’s close to cruel.


(snip)

I know because my doubts aren’t quieted. I registered his endearing brio as he made his remarks, but I also registered his stumbles, the moments when he seemed to lose his way. He has had many of them over recent years. There are surely many, many more to come.

(snip)

Campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, Biden told us to choose him over the other contenders because the stakes of depriving Trump a second term were incalculable and he was the safest bet against Trump. He carried the least risk.

Well, the stakes in 2024 aren’t much different, whether or not Trump secures his party’s nomination, because whichever Republican emerges victorious from the Republican primaries will have been touched and corrupted by Trump’s election denialism, his attacks on democratic institutions, his zest for provocation, his resentments, his divisiveness.

So, Democrats once again need to tread a cautious path. That caution explains the paradox of the poll I previously mentioned, and that caution is Biden’s lesson and legacy — which is how he should look at it. Democratic voters aren’t faithless or fickle. They’re fearful, just as he told them to be.
In other words, they’ve been listening to what he’s been saying since Trump came along. That’s a compliment to him. It’s a tribute. May he bask in it.

He shouldn't be running for one simple reason, age. He was the oldest president when he took office and will be 82 years old if re-elected. You know I disagree with Biden but I hope we can agree that Joe's mental acuity isn't the sharpest. Agreed?
 
He shouldn't be running for one simple reason, age. He was the oldest president when he took office and will be 82 years old if re-elected. You know I disagree with Biden but I hope we can agree that Joe's mental acuity isn't the sharpest. Agreed?

I am 6 years older than Joe Biden...but I feel I am sharper than he. I agree to that.

I am probably more supportive of Joe Biden because of my feelings about the alternative I was offered...than because I am enthusiastic about him. And while I agree that his mental acuity is not what I truly want in a president, I consider his acuity to be superior to what I was offered as an alternative...BY FAR.
 
I did not used to think that M Obama wanted the gig....she has always claimed that the does not......but I have changed my mind.

It would be either her or Newsome I think......that is who the regime would attempt to install.

I think Michelle would not take the job if offered. She will not be the candidate if Joe Biden is not. Newsome might be; Buttigieg might be; Whitmer might be; Booker might be; Jeffries might be. Whoever it is...including Joe Biden, will be a much better choice (in my opinion) than anyone the Republicans offer up.
 
I am 6 years older than Joe Biden...but I feel I am sharper than he. I agree to that.

I am probably more supportive of Joe Biden because of my feelings about the alternative I was offered...than because I am enthusiastic about him. And while I agree that his mental acuity is not what I truly want in a president, I consider his acuity to be superior to what I was offered as an alternative...BY FAR.

That's the past and isn't really a good argument for why he should run again. Also his mental acuity is separate and apart from any alternative no matter who it is.
 
That's the past and isn't really a good argument for why he should run again.

I am not making an argument for why he should run again.

Also his mental acuity is separate and apart from any alternative no matter who it is.

And although I agree that his mental acuity is separate from any alternative...I sure as hell will consider any alternative when deciding for whom I want to cast my ballot.

I cannot think of a candidate being touted by the Republicans for whom I would vote in preference to Joe Biden should he choose to run again.
 
I am not making an argument for why he should run again.



And although I agree that his mental acuity is separate from any alternative...I sure as hell will consider any alternative when deciding for whom I want to cast my ballot.

I cannot think of a candidate being touted by the Republicans for whom I would vote in preference to Joe Biden should he choose to run again.

Clearly you aren't.

I'd vote for the dem jackass mascot before any one of the imbeciles in the party right now so I see your point.
 
He needs to be told no, and I believe that it has happened.

By whom? He has the power to decide yes. He likes the job.
I did not want him in 2020. His speech problem bothered me. I prefer candidates like Warren and Buttigieg. But he was running against the worst speaker in American political history. Trump's stupid things he said has lots of YouTubers working overtime accumulating them. Trump is basically a stupid and immature person.
 
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Joe Biden should not run, simply because he is too old. He is doing a great job and saved us from Trump…. But he should quit while he is ahead.

He is, however very likely to run unless he has a major health event in the coming months.
 
Will he or won't he is totally up to Biden, and like any politician, ego often gets in the way, he most likely feels he has more work to do and is capable of doing such. Unless someone can show him his odds of winning are low, he'll run, and if the next two years break his way, he'll win

I'd prefer he not, he can quit now and leave with a positive legacy, but who then, there are several favorable candidates, but none that stand out as charismatic. And Michelle Obama ain't running, she doesn't need to nor probably want to, already has everything going her way
 
Frank Bruni’s column from yesterday’s New York Times is a masterpiece. It speaks to the reasons that while 80% of Democrats and independents feel that Joe Biden has done an excellent job as president…nearly that same amount also feel he should not run again in 2024.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/09/opinion/biden-age-trump-.html

Here are portions for those of you who cannot get past the paywall:


An overwhelming majority of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic believe that President Biden has done a good job — 81 and 78 percent, respectively, according to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll.

(snip)

Regardless, 58 percent of those same Democrats and independents said that they want a Democratic presidential candidate other than Biden in 2024. They seem to like him. They’re apparently grateful for him. Yet they’re ready to kick him to the curb.

It doesn’t add up. And the person to whom the arithmetic must feel strangest — and coldest — is Biden.

During his State of the Union address on Tuesday night, he strongly signaled that he’ll seek re-election. So that settles that? I don’t think so, not when you factor in the metabolism of politics today, the predictable unpredictability of the world, and his age, 80, which comes with the increased possibility of deteriorating health and sudden illness.

The worries about his ability to endure the rigors of a presidential campaign and come out a winner aren’t going away. Nor will the calls for him to wise up, stand down and let a younger, fresher, more dynamic Democrat claim the center of the stage.

My Times colleague Michelle Goldberg issued such a plea in a column on Monday. I second it. I agree with her analysis, including her assessment of a Democratic bench deeper and more interesting than the party’s perpetually self-doubting downers realize. I wrote about that bench last November — and I didn’t even include Gov. Wes Moore of Maryland or Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, promising leaders for whom 2024 is just a bit too soon.
But I nonetheless want to pause and fully acknowledge what an extraordinary and difficult thing Michelle, I and others are asking Biden to do.


(snip)

In saving us from a second term of Trump, Biden quite likely saved us from ruin. And so … we’re done with him?

That’s beyond cold. It’s close to cruel.


(snip)

I know because my doubts aren’t quieted. I registered his endearing brio as he made his remarks, but I also registered his stumbles, the moments when he seemed to lose his way. He has had many of them over recent years. There are surely many, many more to come.

(snip)

Campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, Biden told us to choose him over the other contenders because the stakes of depriving Trump a second term were incalculable and he was the safest bet against Trump. He carried the least risk.

Well, the stakes in 2024 aren’t much different, whether or not Trump secures his party’s nomination, because whichever Republican emerges victorious from the Republican primaries will have been touched and corrupted by Trump’s election denialism, his attacks on democratic institutions, his zest for provocation, his resentments, his divisiveness.

So, Democrats once again need to tread a cautious path. That caution explains the paradox of the poll I previously mentioned, and that caution is Biden’s lesson and legacy — which is how he should look at it. Democratic voters aren’t faithless or fickle. They’re fearful, just as he told them to be.
In other words, they’ve been listening to what he’s been saying since Trump came along. That’s a compliment to him. It’s a tribute. May he bask in it.

I would prefer a new generation of democrat's running for the presidency, but also for the senate and congress too?!! That being said, if Biden is the nominee, I will support him 110%?!! Especially over crackpots/idiots like Trump and DeSantis?!!
 
Joe Biden should not run, simply because he is too old. He is doing a great job and saved us from Trump…. But he should quit while he is ahead.

He is, however very likely to run unless he has a major health event in the coming months.

Hallucinations.
 
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