Criticism of Afghan War is on Rise in Britain

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Criticism of Afghan War is on Rise in Britain

In a brilliant essay in a recent issue of the London Review of Books ("The Irresistible Illusion, July 9), Rory Stewart, the Director of the Carr Center on Human Rights Policy at Harvard, writes that "Afghanistan..is the graveyard of predictions." I'd add that is is also the graveyard of empires. Stewart is critical of President Obama's "new policy," which he explains" has a very narrow focus--counter-terrorism--and a very broad definition of how to achieve it: no less than the fixing of the Afghan state."

Alternatives, for the moment, have been excluded. Yet, too few are asking the tough questions that need to be asked about how we might better provide security--- in the region and for the US-- through a non-military regional strategy to stabilize Afghanistan? Why are too few pointing out that it is crazy to pour billions into a war whose mission we're still unable to clearly define when the U.S. economy is in crisis and millions (here and globally) face joblessness?

While the newly arrived top commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McCrystal , champions a 21st century counterinsurgency (COIN) strategy, few in Congress have bothered to question the Administration about the fact that while this COIN strategy calls for a ratio of 80 percent political and 20 percent military, 90 percent of the recent war supplemental goes towards military expenses. And just last week, according to the Washington Post, McCrystal concluded that Afghan security forces will have to expand far beyond currently planned levels. Such an expansion would require additional billions beyond the $7.5 billion the administration has budgeted annually to build up the Afghan army and police over the next several years; it will also mean the deployment of 1000s of more US troops as trainers and advisers.

Obama has so far committed to building an Afghan army of 134,000 and a police force of 82,000. McCrystal now appears to be pushing for what some US generals have earlier spoken about wanting: a combined Afghan army -police-security apparatus of 450,000 soldiers. Such a force would cost $2 or $ 3 billion a year to maintain; As Rory Stewart points out, the annual revenue of the Afghan government is just $600 million. "We criticize developing countries for spending 30 percent of their budget on defense," Stewart notes, and "we are encouraging Afghanistan to spend 500 percent of its budget."

As the US plans to sharply increase its troop strength, it's important to note that Britain's involvement in the war has come under the fiercest criticism yet at home. Some of this comes as a result of a sharp increase in British casualties, including the deaths of 15 soldiers in the past 10 days. {By July 7th, 176 British soldiers had died in Afghanistan, roughly the same number as were killed in Iraq. America has lost 726 soldiers in Afghanistan and 4321 in Iraq--though those figures may have increased in these past few days.)

What has also led to criticism in Britain are the grim images that have led the nightly television news. According to the New York Times, the news has shown " slate-gray transport aircraft carrying coffins landing at a military airbase in Wiltshire and being driven slowly in hearses past crowds lining the high street in Wootton Bassett, a nearby town. When live coffins passed down the street on Friday, on their way to a mortuary in Oxford, women wailed."

Where is the US nightly television (broadcast and cable) coverage of our servicepeople returning in coffins? Where are the brutal and honest images of Afghanistan--of Afghan women and children killed, of US soldiers in the hell of combat. Where is the coverage of the staggering increase of post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, traumatic brain injuries and suicides among the many 1000s of service members who've already paid a price for Iraq and Afghanistan? Have the networks and cable channels spent so much of their budgets covering Michael Jackson's untimely death and star-studded memorial, Sarah Palin's ramblings and Mark Sanford's personal and political derelictions that they can't give us the real news we need if we're to be a democracy informed about what our country is doing in our name?

I believe the escalation of Afghanistan will bleed us of the resources needed for economic recovery, further destabilize Pakistan, open a rift--as we're now seeing with Britain and others--with our European allies, and negate the positive consequences of withdrawing from Iraq and Obama's powerful Cairo speech on our image in the Muslim world. Nor will escalation secure a better future for the Afghan people, for its women and children, or increase US security.

-- more at link
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut/451033/criticism_of_afghan_war_is_on_rise_in_britain

If this needless war continues to escalate and more Americans continue to die needlessly .. you might need to adjust those predictions for 2010 and 2012.

The war in Afghanistan is every bit as failed and unnecessary as the war in Iraq.
 
Criticism of Afghan War is on Rise in Britain

In a brilliant essay in a recent issue of the London Review of Books ("The Irresistible Illusion, July 9), Rory Stewart, the Director of the Carr Center on Human Rights Policy at Harvard, writes that "Afghanistan..is the graveyard of predictions." I'd add that is is also the graveyard of empires. Stewart is critical of President Obama's "new policy," which he explains" has a very narrow focus--counter-terrorism--and a very broad definition of how to achieve it: no less than the fixing of the Afghan state."

Alternatives, for the moment, have been excluded. Yet, too few are asking the tough questions that need to be asked about how we might better provide security--- in the region and for the US-- through a non-military regional strategy to stabilize Afghanistan? Why are too few pointing out that it is crazy to pour billions into a war whose mission we're still unable to clearly define when the U.S. economy is in crisis and millions (here and globally) face joblessness?

While the newly arrived top commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McCrystal , champions a 21st century counterinsurgency (COIN) strategy, few in Congress have bothered to question the Administration about the fact that while this COIN strategy calls for a ratio of 80 percent political and 20 percent military, 90 percent of the recent war supplemental goes towards military expenses. And just last week, according to the Washington Post, McCrystal concluded that Afghan security forces will have to expand far beyond currently planned levels. Such an expansion would require additional billions beyond the $7.5 billion the administration has budgeted annually to build up the Afghan army and police over the next several years; it will also mean the deployment of 1000s of more US troops as trainers and advisers.

Obama has so far committed to building an Afghan army of 134,000 and a police force of 82,000. McCrystal now appears to be pushing for what some US generals have earlier spoken about wanting: a combined Afghan army -police-security apparatus of 450,000 soldiers. Such a force would cost $2 or $ 3 billion a year to maintain; As Rory Stewart points out, the annual revenue of the Afghan government is just $600 million. "We criticize developing countries for spending 30 percent of their budget on defense," Stewart notes, and "we are encouraging Afghanistan to spend 500 percent of its budget."

As the US plans to sharply increase its troop strength, it's important to note that Britain's involvement in the war has come under the fiercest criticism yet at home. Some of this comes as a result of a sharp increase in British casualties, including the deaths of 15 soldiers in the past 10 days. {By July 7th, 176 British soldiers had died in Afghanistan, roughly the same number as were killed in Iraq. America has lost 726 soldiers in Afghanistan and 4321 in Iraq--though those figures may have increased in these past few days.)

What has also led to criticism in Britain are the grim images that have led the nightly television news. According to the New York Times, the news has shown " slate-gray transport aircraft carrying coffins landing at a military airbase in Wiltshire and being driven slowly in hearses past crowds lining the high street in Wootton Bassett, a nearby town. When live coffins passed down the street on Friday, on their way to a mortuary in Oxford, women wailed."

Where is the US nightly television (broadcast and cable) coverage of our servicepeople returning in coffins? Where are the brutal and honest images of Afghanistan--of Afghan women and children killed, of US soldiers in the hell of combat. Where is the coverage of the staggering increase of post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, traumatic brain injuries and suicides among the many 1000s of service members who've already paid a price for Iraq and Afghanistan? Have the networks and cable channels spent so much of their budgets covering Michael Jackson's untimely death and star-studded memorial, Sarah Palin's ramblings and Mark Sanford's personal and political derelictions that they can't give us the real news we need if we're to be a democracy informed about what our country is doing in our name?

I believe the escalation of Afghanistan will bleed us of the resources needed for economic recovery, further destabilize Pakistan, open a rift--as we're now seeing with Britain and others--with our European allies, and negate the positive consequences of withdrawing from Iraq and Obama's powerful Cairo speech on our image in the Muslim world. Nor will escalation secure a better future for the Afghan people, for its women and children, or increase US security.

-- more at link
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut/451033/criticism_of_afghan_war_is_on_rise_in_britain

If this needless war continues to escalate and more Americans continue to die needlessly .. you might need to adjust those predictions for 2010 and 2012.

The war in Afghanistan is every bit as failed and unnecessary as the war in Iraq.

The initial reason for the invasion of Afganistan was legitimate. They were hiding the organization behind the terrorist attack on the US. But the longer it draws out the less we are chasing AlQaida and the more we are nation-building.
 
The initial reason for the invasion of Afganistan was legitimate. They were hiding the organization behind the terrorist attack on the US. But the longer it draws out the less we are chasing AlQaida and the more we are nation-building.

We are pipeline building.

We don't give a rats ass about the Afghan people. Never have.
 
Except the Afghan people are hard to bully. Ask the former Soviet Union.

Correct .. and one can ask hundreds of years of history.

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Drill here, Drill now..

but we have the radical environmentalist in control of our government..so we are forced to rely on foreign countries who hate us..

how much they care about us..eh
 
Drill here, Drill now..

but we have the radical environmentalist in control of our government..so we are forced to rely on foreign countries who hate us..

how much they care about us..eh

O0000 .. bad word .. "environmentalist" .. had to say it 3 times.

I hate to interrupt a tantrum .. but perhaps you should read a newspaper or watch a real news show sometimes, because if you had you'd know this ...

Obama Shows New Openness to Offshore Oil Drilling
The candidate says he would consider lifting the moratorium to help Congress pass energy bill
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news...ws-new-openness-to-offshore-oil-drilling.html

Notice the article calls him "candidate" because he was open to offshore drilling even before he was elected.

Pardon the interruption.
 
O0000 .. bad word .. "environmentalist" .. had to say it 3 times.

I hate to interrupt a tantrum .. but perhaps you should read a newspaper or watch a real news show sometimes, because if you had you'd know this ...

Obama Shows New Openness to Offshore Oil Drilling
The candidate says he would consider lifting the moratorium to help Congress pass energy bill
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news...ws-new-openness-to-offshore-oil-drilling.html

Notice the article calls him "candidate" because he was open to offshore drilling even before he was elected.

Pardon the interruption.

Well, admittedly, people have given it a bad name, which is why I prefer the term "conservationist," although, admittedly, the two terms do tend to approach the preservation of nature through different means...
 
Obama does not dictate to the democrats.
While he is open these morons are hanging on to old political trophy's and that's all this is.
At the expense I might add of the average working joe they supposedly work for.
 
The environmental movement has been co-opted by the lunatic fringe.

Its like PETA. They started with a good idea but soon let the lunatic fringe run the operation.
 
Well, admittedly, people have given it a bad name, which is why I prefer the term "conservationist," although, admittedly, the two terms do tend to approach the preservation of nature through different means...

I'm a fighter good brother, thus, I ain't wit' that.

Changing a name or title because others have a problem with it is a sign of weakness. Like when liberals ran from being called liberals and started calling themselves "progressives" so the right-wing wouldn't call them nasty names.

No matter what you call them they amount to a bunch of wimpies.

Enviromentalist goes straight to the point, no excuses, no chaser. Irrespective of the lunatic fringe, like PETA, get stright to the point and be proud of tht activism.

Call the lunatic fringe what they are, but stand on principle.
 
I'm a fighter good brother, thus, I ain't wit' that.

Changing a name or title because others have a problem with it is a sign of weakness. Like when liberals ran from being called liberals and started calling themselves "progressives" so the right-wing wouldn't call them nasty names.

No matter what you call them they amount to a bunch of wimpies.

Enviromentalist goes straight to the point, no excuses, no chaser. Irrespective of the lunatic fringe, like PETA, get stright to the point and be proud of tht activism.

Call the lunatic fringe what they are, but stand on principle.

Well, myself, I am not an activist. I prefer the cozy room with refreshments, cigars, excellent conversation, and good lighting...

And as I said, there is an actual distinction between traditional conservationism and modern environmentalism...
 
Well, myself, I am not an activist. I prefer the cozy room with refreshments, cigars, excellent conversation, and good lighting...

And as I said, there is an actual distinction between traditional conservationism and modern environmentalism...

I respect your choices, but I've been an activist all my life. Wouldn't know or want anything else. The memories are worth their weight in gold. When we die, memories are all we take with us. They are what make us unique among the billions who have lived.

I agree with your distinction, but I believe modern environmentalism was borne of what was once considered conservationism.
 
Environmentalism is conservatism at it's finest.
Conservation of our planet, our home, our future generations home, the only one we have.

The so called conservatives like to poop in their messkit for short sighted profit.
 
I respect your choices, but I've been an activist all my life. Wouldn't know or want anything else. The memories are worth their weight in gold. When we die, memories are all we take with us. They are what make us unique among the billions who have lived.

I agree with your distinction, but I believe modern environmentalism was borne of what was once considered conservationism.

That is true. Incidentally, seeing as how the Irish & Slavs, and Catholics gained their full equality when by dad was young, the only things I have ever really had cause for are moral issues such as abortion, of which I have chosen to sit on my rear and damn liberals to hell rather than go out be an activist...

Basically, conservationists will do works projects, like maintaining forests, buying up land for public parks and reserves, restoration projects, etc. Environmentalists will tend to target businesses for massive regulation, advocate for carbon credits, and all of the things that we see them do today, but the movement does indeed spring from conservationism, and particularly the movement that came out of the 1890 Census, which declared the Frontier closed, making everyone realize that the resources of the continent have limits. Interestingly it is animal rights that would kind of be a bridge between the two camps, and yet it is the area with the most notorious extremists, such as PETA.
 
That is true. Incidentally, seeing as how the Irish & Slavs, and Catholics gained their full equality when by dad was young, the only things I have ever really had cause for are moral issues such as abortion, of which I have chosen to sit on my rear and damn liberals to hell rather than go out be an activist...

Basically, conservationists will do works projects, like maintaining forests, buying up land for public parks and reserves, restoration projects, etc. Environmentalists will tend to target businesses for massive regulation, advocate for carbon credits, and all of the things that we see them do today, but the movement does indeed spring from conservationism, and particularly the movement that came out of the 1890 Census, which declared the Frontier closed, making everyone realize that the resources of the continent have limits. Interestingly it is animal rights that would kind of be a bridge between the two camps, and yet it is the area with the most notorious extremists, such as PETA.

I think animal rights are a noble concept, but I'm not quite sure I'm going to start going around calling others speciesists any soon. Cow just tastes too fucking good.
 
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