APP - Culture versus Reality

midcan5

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In the end it is meaningful jobs that matter, having lived a long time I am always amazed at the unreality of reality. We make it up as we go along, we possess filters and compartments in our heads, and we neatly place reality in one so reality becomes comfortable. And then when I watch the news or TV or most anything, I am always mindful of the myths and memes that drive our thoughts. I read the NYT piece noted in the OP below and thought, huh, and what and where and who and how - but thankfully someone took some time and addressed my bemusement.

"Against this background, the ballyhooed “restoration” of culture to poverty discourse can only be one thing: an evasion of the persistent racial and economic inequalities that are a blot on American democracy."

'Culture still doesn’t explain poverty' by Stephen Steinberg

"Notwithstanding the election of Barack Obama, the last 40 years have been a period of racial backlash. The three pillars of anti-racist public policy—affirmative action, school integration, and racial districting (to prevent the dilution of the black vote)—have all been eviscerated, thanks in large part to rulings of a Supreme Court packed with Republican appointees. Indeed, the comeback of the culture of poverty, albeit in new rhetorical guise, signifies a reversion to the status quo ante: to the discourses and concomitant policy agenda that existed before the black protest movement forced the nation to confront its collective guilt and responsibility for two centuries of slavery and a century of Jim Crow—racism that pervaded all major institutions of our society, North and South. Such momentous issues are brushed away as a new generation of sociologists delves into deliberately myopic examinations of a small sphere where culture makes some measurable difference—to prove that “culture matters.”" http://www.bostonreview.net/BR36.1/steinberg.php

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin
 
Unions provide well paying, secure jobs, a nice thing for the working person.
But before you said: "In the end it is meaningful jobs that matter..." What difference does decent pay and security make when a worker who wants to work harder then the rest isn't rewarded for dong so, and in my experience actually punished?
 
So long as we continue to buy cheap? Should I pay more for the same or lower quality products just to support some union?

Should I underwrite a totalitarian regime who's government subsidizes it's industries, maintains uncompetative economic national monopolies, manipulates it's currency to undervalue it, disregards common worker safety and environmental standards and has a complete disregard for worker and human rights and does not tolerate political dissent of any sort so that you can can buy cheap stuff?

These Free Trade agreements need to also be "Fair Trade" agreements so that countries like China have to play on a level playing field with the US.

Can you hear that huge sucking sound or is that just Ross Perot saying "I told you so!"?
 
Should I underwrite a totalitarian regime who's government subsidizes it's industries, maintains uncompetative economic national monopolies, manipulates it's currency to undervalue it, disregards common worker safety and environmental standards and has a complete disregard for worker and human rights and does not tolerate political dissent of any sort so that you can can buy cheap stuff?

These Free Trade agreements need to also be "Fair Trade" agreements so that countries like China have to play on a level playing field with the US.

Can you hear that huge sucking sound or is that just Ross Perot saying "I told you so!"?

I have no problem with free trade agreements. I would love to see a more level playing field.

But at the end of the day, if I can provide more quality for my family for less, thats where I am going.
 
But before you said: "In the end it is meaningful jobs that matter..." What difference does decent pay and security make when a worker who wants to work harder then the rest isn't rewarded for dong so, and in my experience actually punished?

So 'unions' are bad because YOU had a bad experience?
Some unions are turned bad by incompetent leadership and inactive membership, some unions are made good by efficient leadership and active membership.
You really have to stop this 'binary existence of yours. There is much more to life than love and hate, good and bad, black and white.
I was a member of a union, many years ago, that managed to expose decidedly dodgy accounting and presentation of the company finances. Union action forced the company to be open and to honour a previous agreement with the staff and workers.
That's just one.
Unions in the UK have been good, bad and indifferent. The good ones seldom make the headlines. The bad ones are never out of them.
 
Should I underwrite a totalitarian regime who's government subsidizes it's industries, maintains uncompetative economic national monopolies, manipulates it's currency to undervalue it, disregards common worker safety and environmental standards and has a complete disregard for worker and human rights and does not tolerate political dissent of any sort so that you can can buy cheap stuff?

These Free Trade agreements need to also be "Fair Trade" agreements so that countries like China have to play on a level playing field with the US.

Can you hear that huge sucking sound or is that just Ross Perot saying "I told you so!"?

Is it right to assume that only MY playing field is level?
 
if you want to continue the flight of jobs from the u s of a, then buy foreign goods, otherwise buy american

If Americans refuse to buy foreign goods then will they also refuse to sell American goods into foreign markets?
How about invisibles?
Methinks you will lose much more than you will gain.
 
So 'unions' are bad because YOU had a bad experience?
Some unions are turned bad by incompetent leadership and inactive membership, some unions are made good by efficient leadership and active membership.
You really have to stop this 'binary existence of yours. There is much more to life than love and hate, good and bad, black and white.
I was a member of a union, many years ago, that managed to expose decidedly dodgy accounting and presentation of the company finances. Union action forced the company to be open and to honour a previous agreement with the staff and workers.
That's just one.
Unions in the UK have been good, bad and indifferent. The good ones seldom make the headlines. The bad ones are never out of them.

It is well documented that unions stifle innovation and hard work by rewarding the mundane and mediocre. Do you deny this?
 
If Americans refuse to buy foreign goods then will they also refuse to sell American goods into foreign markets?
How about invisibles?
Methinks you will lose much more than you will gain.

see how little you can buy that is american and then tell me that
 
see how little you can buy that is american and then tell me that

I bought a fridge about 20 years ago and a couple of bottles of cheap California wine. But then most overseas goods here tend to be from Oz or Europe.
However, in the world of insurance, finance and banking you have a strong presence. Close down the AIAs and the Citibanks etc etc and I would put money on the fact that you would lose more than you gain.
 
It is well documented that unions stifle innovation and hard work by rewarding the mundane and mediocre. Do you deny this?

As I said, there are good unions and bad. Many companies demand a union presence on the board to ensure both openness and ease of negotiation. As far as mundane and mediocre are concerned that is by no means the sole province of unions.
Business has a tendency towards caution. Revolutionary products and services are rare enough to make headlines. iPad, iPhone to name but two. Change comes about comparatively slowly. Print unions did try to prevent computerised newspapers in the UK, but that was as much about seeking a fair judgement for those made redundant as anything else.
Once again I must point out that your habit of reducing everything to its most simplistic is all too often inadequate.
 
Isn't it curious how the right constantly tells us what good Americans they are and then criticize the very institutions that made America great: its workers and it unions. I'm sure most Americans could live well, in the America style on China's wages. OK that was a joke. Next criticism from the right will be it is government that causes the nation's unemployment. It is never their gawd, the corporation that is wrong. How did the population get so confused that now the nation that developed much of the technology of the times is looked down on by the righties? We are a free nation, you can support whatever nation you love best, but you forfeit the right to complain about unemployment and deficits. Walmart loves you for sure - always low wages, always.

"One percent of the nation owns a third of the wealth. The rest of the wealth is distributed in such a way as to turn those in the 99 percent against one another: small property owners against the propertyless, black against white, native- born against foreign-born, intellectuals and professionals against the uneducated and unskilled. These groups have resented one another and warred against one another with such vehemence and violence as to obscure their common position as sharers of leftovers in a very wealthy country." Howard Zinn 'APHOTUS'


"In 1929 Federal, state, and municipal governments accounted for about 8 percent of all economic activity in the United States. By the 1960s that figure was between 20 and 25 percent, far exceeding that in India, a socialist country. The National Science Foundation reckoned that federal funds were paying for 90 percent of research in aviation and space travel, 65 percent in electrical and electronic devices, 42 percent in Scientific Instruments, 31 percent in machinery, 28 percent in metal alloys, 24 percent in automobiles, and 20 percent in chemicals." William Manchester "The Glory and the Dream"
 
I have no problem with free trade agreements. I would love to see a more level playing field.

But at the end of the day, if I can provide more quality for my family for less, thats where I am going.
Well that's the problem Winter. Their not free trade agreements. China and other nations still put up artificial barriers to prevent US goods and services from being competative in their nations and then they manipulate their currency to undervalue it so that they can maintain their export advantages at a tremendous trade cost to us. This results in lost jobs and because US investors don't care about the standard of living for people in this nation, just the return on their investment, were seeing one of the largest transfers of wealth in world history and it's the middle and working classes of this nation who are paying for that transfer of wealth, not the investor class.

Look, the facts are clear. As long as the US is party to trade agreements where we are required to act with one hand tied behind our back while the other parties to these agreements operate to our disadvantage then to call these agreements "Free Trade" is a sick joke!
 
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