Dano posts garbage w/out actually researching the subject

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Robdawg

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Swetnam says that climate change -- global warming -- has increased temperatures in the West about one degree and that has caused four times more fires. Swetnam and his colleagues published those findings in the journal "Science," and the world’s leading researchers on climate change have endorsed their conclusions.


Science is like krypotnite to Dano

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/60minutes/main3380176_page3.shtml


next thing dano will say "ahhh its CBS a liberal media outlet, they can't be trusted


lemme get something more conservative for dano

Fires in northern forests do release greenhouse gases that contribute to climate warming. But they also cause changes in the forest canopy that result in more sunlight reflected back into space during spring and summer for many decades after the fire, said James T. Randerson, associate professor of earth system science at the University of California, Irvine.

"This cooling effect cancels the impact of the greenhouse gases," he said. "The net effect of fire is close to neutral when averaged globally, and in northern regions may lead to slightly colder temperatures," said Randerson, lead author of a study appearing in Friday's issue of the journal Science.


The study focused on a single fire,


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230320,00.html


awsome study, so a fire has a cooling effect from fox news.... i love it... that would make a great bedtime story... oh and the study was done from 1 fire... that pretty much makes it fact.
 
Robdawg said:
Swetnam says that climate change -- global warming -- has increased temperatures in the West about one degree and that has caused four times more fires. Swetnam and his colleagues published those findings in the journal "Science," and the world’s leading researchers on climate change have endorsed their conclusions.


Science is like krypotnite to Dano

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/60minutes/main3380176_page3.shtml


next thing dano will say "ahhh its CBS a liberal media outlet, they can't be trusted


lemme get something more conservative for dano

Fires in northern forests do release greenhouse gases that contribute to climate warming. But they also cause changes in the forest canopy that result in more sunlight reflected back into space during spring and summer for many decades after the fire, said James T. Randerson, associate professor of earth system science at the University of California, Irvine.

"This cooling effect cancels the impact of the greenhouse gases," he said. "The net effect of fire is close to neutral when averaged globally, and in northern regions may lead to slightly colder temperatures," said Randerson, lead author of a study appearing in Friday's issue of the journal Science.


The study focused on a single fire,


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230320,00.html


awsome study, so a fire has a cooling effect from fox news.... i love it... that would make a great bedtime story... oh and the study was done from 1 fire... that pretty much makes it fact.
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LOL, your link to Fox shows how fires influence global warming, NOT how global warming influences (or causes) fires. I am glad you read your studies...


I am not disputing that higher drier conditions make fire spread easier, but they do not CAUSE fires. Fires are CAUSED by lightning, humans and in somewhat rare cases volcanos.

Global warming is NOT responsible for or the cause of fires, which is what Reid contended and likely why he backed off afterwards because he knew he would get called on his LIE.
 
Oh, that's a relief - global warming only makes it easier for fire to spread & devastate much larger areas. It doesn't actually CAUSE the fires.

Great news, there. I wonder if we'll soon see a thread titled "Global warming a GOOD thing - good for polar bears & whales, and actually doesn't CAUSE fires"
 
Onceler said:
Oh, that's a relief - global warming only makes it easier for fire to spread & devastate much larger areas. It doesn't actually CAUSE the fires.

Great news, there. I wonder if we'll soon see a thread titled "Global warming a GOOD thing - good for polar bears & whales, and actually doesn't CAUSE fires"
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A lot of things can "help" fires spread. One of the left's strongest contentions is that humans are to blame with global warming.
Well humans also put out natural fires from lightning, they clearcut some areas so fires don't spread, they clear older deader trees and brush like with Bush's "Healthy Forests Initiative" (which the Liberal Democrat's rejected by the way).
So we know humans do some good and some bad in putting out and setting fires, but it is certainly NOT proven that humans contribute to global warming.

At the end of the day there are more trees and less fires in America than hundreds of years ago (as there was never anyone around then to fight lightning caused fires) and that is because of humans.
 
I can't tell; is he at least admitting that global warming can exacerbate forest fires, when you wade through all of the horse manure there?
 
Dungheap said:
More unsubstantiated horseshit from Dano.
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Baloney, it's fucking common sense for Christ's sakes. You cut down and certain trees which are drier/denser and better fuel for fires to spread with and you reduce the impact of fires.
http://www.fs.fed.us/projects/hfi/

Honestly this is basic BASIC fucking info to anyone who has ever run a fireplace or woodstove. Dry wood burns easier and quicker - DUH.
Of course most enviromentalist lefties only live in big urban cities and have next to no understanding or experience with actual nature or wood-burning.
 
Onceler said:
I can't tell; is he at least admitting that global warming can exacerbate forest fires, when you wade through all of the horse manure there?
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Here's a synopsis of what I'm saying:

1. Humans can be bad for starting/helping fires
2. Humans can be good for stopping/ending fires
3. Drier conditions (be it from the earth naturally warming or weather or lack of logging to clear away some trees) can help fires spread but NOT cause them as the Liberal Dem senate leader Reid claimed.

Let me know if you need things put in point form in the future Lorax and if that's still not enough for your dense brain to comprehend mebbe I can conjure up some picture cards.
 
"Drier conditions (be it from the earth naturally warming or weather or lack of logging to clear away some trees) can help fires spread but NOT cause them as the Liberal Dem senate leader Reid claimed"

And, like I originally said, it's a real relief that all global warming does is make forest fires much, much worse.

Good call, DeMano.
 
Then they have mud slides in the rainy season after clearing the brush.

Just double the population that will fix everything.
 
TheDanold said:
Baloney, it's fucking common sense for Christ's sakes. You cut down and certain trees which are drier/denser and better fuel for fires to spread with and you reduce the impact of fires.
http://www.fs.fed.us/projects/hfi/

Honestly this is basic BASIC fucking info to anyone who has ever run a fireplace or woodstove. Dry wood burns easier and quicker - DUH.
Of course most enviromentalist lefties only live in big urban cities and have next to no understanding or experience with actual nature or wood-burning.
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Dano - Please understand that the real world is a bit more complex than your fucking fireplace.

Dumbass.
 
Dungheap said:
Dano - Please understand that the real world is a bit more complex than your fucking fireplace.

Dumbass.
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Right deal with the example and ignore the theory. Way to strawman. Look dumbass, let's make it nice and simple.
Clearing brush, dead/dense/dry trees reduces the spread of forest fires, do you agree?

I mean holy shit...
 
TheDanold said:
Right deal with the example and ignore the theory. Way to strawman. Look dumbass, let's make it nice and simple.
Clearing brush, dead/dense/dry trees reduces the spread of forest fires, do you agree?

I mean holy shit...
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Dano - Revisit the post that I called unsubstantiated horeshit and we'll get to the real disagreement here.

Having said that, of course I agree that clearing brush, etc. reduces the spread of forest fires. Well, the converse of that is true as well. More drought conditions and drier brush and undergrowth fuel forest fires. Some might say that those conditions cause forest fires. That was my original point for Christ's sake. One that you disagree with, playing semantic games about what it means to "cause" a forest fire.

The real issue with your post is the "At the end of the day . . . " part, which was wholly unsubstantiated bullshit.
 
umm this time of year most everything will burn out there. Dead or not.
Brush and all ground cover helps to prevent mudslides which CA folks seem to have trouble with as well.

When is an area full of people ? We have laws governing how many pigs and chickens you can have in a pen, but not for people....
Stupit people.
 
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