Dano raises the obvious: We already HAD a Democrat Senate

TheDanold

TheDanold

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It seems crazy to see how many people from all parties think we would see some real change for the better with turning congress back over to the Dems. After Jim Jeffords defected in 2001, the next almost 2 years, the senate was in the hands of Democrats under Tom Daschle and THIS was the period of the largest amount of spending under Bush.
Spending went down (or rather did not increase by as high percentages) after the election of 2002 and even moreso after 2004 with 55 Repubs.
Right now we have seen a senate that though not evenly divided in party, IS evenly divided by ideology with northeast Repubs like Snowe, Collins, Chafee, etc... voting more with Dems on spending issues.

And that would be why right now we see a "do-nothing" (which is a good thing) senate that is no longer passing big spending increases. If we could only get more Conservative Repubs we would start to see spending decreases, but instead it looks like more Liberal Dems will again push the senate right back to what it was in the early years of Bush's presidency which is a spending spree of a Congress.
 
And with liberal Bush in office he'll just sign away... Never saw a spending increase he didn't like!
 
OrnotBitwise said:
"Liberal Bush." :shock:

You realize, I trust, that you just destroyed about 10 perfectly good keyboards and a couple of monitors.
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Dude is no conservative, and I have been saying it since he was elected... It's not like you haven't seen it before.
 
Damocles said:
And with liberal Bush in office he'll just sign away... Never saw a spending increase he didn't like!
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I'm not gonna get my hopes up but....I remember the mood in 2001 where the official buzzword of "bipartisanship" was the hip thing. And Bush obliged, signing Ted Kennedy's largest ever increase to the fed education budget among plenty of other spending bills.

Now that (I hope) Bush has realized that working with Dems (or really signing their spending increases and then taking 100% blame for them) is a useless dumbass strategy that gets you nowhere and still gets you called "divisive" and "partisan", he will hopefully start vetoing their shit.

I've said it before but I think Bush's greatest contribution to American history will be proving that the only thing Liberals hate more than a Conservative Republican president is a Liberal Republican president.
 
uscitizen said:
Dano, How many spending bills has bush Vetoed ?
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We both know the answer, but let me ask you this: When you try and stop a problem, do you go after the source of the problem?
Congress is where spending bills derive from, Bush is part of the problem, but not the source of the problem.

We already had a Democrat run congress with Republican president (both in 2001-2002 and throughout the 80's) and the result was a deficit increasing by the largest it ever has...so repeating that will somehow help?

It's not too late...
 
We both know the answer, but let me ask you this: When you try and stop a problem, do you go after the source of the problem?
Congress is where spending bills derive from, Bush is part of the problem, but not the source of the problem.
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You do your job Dano, which bush did not.
Play dodge on that one all you want , you will just wear your butt out ;)
 
Excellent point Dano... it's why you da mano!

The problem with Congress is not that Democrats aren't in power, it's because there aren't enough Conservatives on the Republican side, to effectively govern from a conservative standpoint. Did everyone forget the hissy fit filibuster threats? Often, republicans had the votes to nominate or pass something, and the Democrats dropped to the floor kicking and screaming like 2 year olds. Without a super-majority, the Republican majority couldn't get anything done legislatively. The problem was not having enough votes to over-ride a filibuster, largely due to people like John McCain and others, who appeased the crybabies and made matters worse for their party.

As a conservative, I am content with a do-nothing Congress, as long as we remain focused on the war effort facing us at this time, and don't do something totally stupid, like the liberal Democrats would certainly do. I like the tax cuts, I think they should be made permanent, and the Democrats have promised they will repeal them. From my conservative standpoint, this will do nothing to help the economy. Then there is the issue of judges. A liberal democrat Congress will not approve an originalist judge, you can pretty much forget that... we'll have more activist liberal pinheads on the bench, who will continue to legislate from the bench and advance the liberal agenda.

For you fence-sitting conservative ideologues out there, you really need to do some soul searching on this one, because the last thing we need is more activist liberal pinhead judges on the bench.
 
Dixie said:
Excellent point Dano... it's why you da mano!

The problem with Congress is not that Democrats aren't in power, it's because there aren't enough Conservatives on the Republican side, to effectively govern from a conservative standpoint. Did everyone forget the hissy fit filibuster threats? Often, republicans had the votes to nominate or pass something, and the Democrats dropped to the floor kicking and screaming like 2 year olds. Without a super-majority, the Republican majority couldn't get anything done legislatively. The problem was not having enough votes to over-ride a filibuster, largely due to people like John McCain and others, who appeased the crybabies and made matters worse for their party.

As a conservative, I am content with a do-nothing Congress, as long as we remain focused on the war effort facing us at this time, and don't do something totally stupid, like the liberal Democrats would certainly do. I like the tax cuts, I think they should be made permanent, and the Democrats have promised they will repeal them. From my conservative standpoint, this will do nothing to help the economy. Then there is the issue of judges. A liberal democrat Congress will not approve an originalist judge, you can pretty much forget that... we'll have more activist liberal pinheads on the bench, who will continue to legislate from the bench and advance the liberal agenda.

For you fence-sitting conservative ideologues out there, you really need to do some soul searching on this one, because the last thing we need is more activist liberal pinhead judges on the bench.
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Hey thanks Dixie and you make some great points, I don't want any Liberal judges on the bench who practice that Living Constitution crap, they should be strict like Scalia and adhere to how the founders wrote it.

I don't find John McCain that big a problem when compared to the northeast gang of Liberal Repubs like Chafee, Snowe and Collins, their records are much worse than McCain's, they give the party a bad name, because most Repubs really have been careful on spending and trying to cut.

I just wish the media would point some of this out in regards to previous history. One good probable thing is that Chafee will lose his seat, if a seat is to be taken by a Liberal, I'd prefer it be a Democrat so people realize who is who.
 
I don't think adding 4 trillion dollars in just 6 years to the national debt as "doing their job".....only the REPUBLICANS and their lack of leadership are to BLAME for this....

Question: Will republicans EVER TAKE RESPONSIBLILITY for thier own actions?

I have never, ever seen a bigger bunch of cry babies and toddlers in my life than Republicans....

Why not own up to your own mistakes...I thought that is what conservatism was all about, personal responsibility?
 
Care4all said:
I thought that is what conservatism was all about, personal responsibility?
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Real conservatism is about personal responsibility.

Unfortunately, Republicanism is about expanding govt. control, spending your children's future, increasing fines for dirty words on T.V., turning our country into a police state, and supporting nambla.
 
Seems that whenever someone points out how (R) has actually acted these past 6 years the thread is left to die lol/.
 
Ahh Flag well we bush bashers are not like the rebutlikens, Although we do like to rub their noses into it sometimes ;)
And the Bushies seem to have very little to say, strangely enough.
 
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