Dems Working for the Envrionment
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Well we Liberal Democrats mean for the masses to conserve energy! Obviously important people don't have to do this too.
If there were commerical flight available direct from Washington to Des Moines Iowa, I think they should take those. I seriously doubt there are many direct commericial flights from DC to Iowa on any given day.
Pooling is ridiculous. The paranoia involved in political campaigns is insane. Of course, Dodd isn't paranoid since he has no chance of winning.
The bottom line is that it isn't hypocritical to advocate for reducing emissions while taking advantage of modern methods of transport since the emission regulations are designed to make certain types of transport more costly, not to ban them altogether. Under the regulations they would still be able to fly on charter flights, they'd probably just have to pay more for it, as they should. Further, as far as I can tell, the regulations at issue have nothing to do with air transportation at all so I don't see the connection.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
It goes without saying or really much thought that democrats have been far better on environmental issues than have republicans or libertarians. Only the Greens have been better and more consistent.
I state that in an effort to try to figure out what the point of this thread is .. because surely, surely, surely, the point cannot be that because some democrats took seperate flights to Iowa it should have some significance to what the party has worked for and achieved, often at the end of a long fight with the opposition.
Is the point of this thread supposed to be that we all should live environmentally perfect lives and never do anything that might cause more pollution? Who casts the first stone in that one?
I state that in an effort to try to figure out what the point of this thread is .. because surely, surely, surely, the point cannot be that because some democrats took seperate flights to Iowa it should have some significance to what the party has worked for and achieved, often at the end of a long fight with the opposition.
Is the point of this thread supposed to be that we all should live environmentally perfect lives and never do anything that might cause more pollution? Who casts the first stone in that one?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Of course they have, but they've been better at it then republicans and they have more power and influence than Greens who've been the best at advocating it.
The US government is owned by corporations so all who suck at the teet must be pushed towards the best interests of the people .. but democrats are hardly the place to start if you want to criticize what has not been done about the environment.
How is it absurd? Nothing in the energy bill says you can't fly charter flights. As I pointed out earlier, at most the energy bill would make regulation more costly.
Apparently just like you have to be poor to advocate on behalf of the poor you have to live a carbon-free lifestyle to advocate for the reduction of greenhouse gases. Who qualifies? No one.
False dichotomy and a strawman.
So it's ok for Bill Bennett to rail against drugs while gambling? Nobody is completely free of addiction. Or Craig against gay marriage while having bathroom sex? Few if any have not engaged in some sexual act warned against in stupid passages of the bible.
It's not an either go completely carbon free or shut up about the issue. It's don't be obscenely wasteful while preaching on the issue. I doubt even Ed Begley (sp?) lives completely carbon free. But when the guy talks on the issue I tend to respect that this man is living his words. And I would not even say you have to be as committed as he is.