Did the Dark Age really exist!?

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Were the dark ages really so dark compared to the Greco Roman period!?

Mill power gained traction & therefore production.

So, I'm doubtful the Dark Ages represented a regression.

There were scientists, mills, and Some the World's largest buildings of the time were Cathedrals in Dark age Europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Med...onal means of production, and economic growth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_science_in_the_Middle_Ages


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_world's_tallest_buildings
 
NikodemPoplawski said:
Were the dark ages really so dark compared to the Greco Roman period!?

Mill power gained traction & therefore production.

So, I'm doubtful the Dark Ages represented a regression.

There were scientists, mills, and Some the World's largest buildings of the time were Cathedrals in Dark age Europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Med...onal means of production, and economic growth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_science_in_the_Middle_Ages


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_world's_tallest_buildings
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No one knows for sure since it was so dark.
 
AProudLefty said:
The Dark Age is when the Roman Catholic Church took control.
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In terms of mass murder the Enlightenment only represented a shift towards mass murder.

That is until Hitler caused a backlash.

1930s & 1940s Europe probably represents Europeans darkest couple of decades In terms of mass murder between Stalin's Holodomor to Hitler's Holocaust.

Between Hitler & Stalin as much as 60 to 90 million may have died.
 
We lost 500 years of science, technology, and culture with the fall of Rome.

It took that long for the recovery to even begin in Europe.

I don't understand how we could deny the Dark Ages.
 
NikodemPoplawski said:
In terms of mass murder the Enlightenment only represented a shift towards mass murder.

That is until Hitler caused a backlash.

1930s & 1940s Europe probably represents Europeans darkest couple of decades In terms of mass murder between Stalin's Holodomor to Hitler's Holocaust.

Between Hitler & Stalin as much as 60 to 90 million may have died.
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Lutheranism and the Roman Catholic Church had influence on that.
 
NikodemPoplawski said:
The period of time existed
But should it really be referred to as the Dark Ages!?
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No reputable modern Medieval scholar calls it that anymore.

The period is generally categorized and divided into the Early Middle Ages, the High Middle Ages, and the Late Middle Ages.

The Early Middle Ages were "dark" only in the sense we have very little surviving written documents from that period, and therefore we know relatively little about it. We know a lot more about the High Middle Ages and the Late Middle Ages.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
We lost 500 years of science, technology, and culture with the fall of Rome.

It took that long for the recovery to even begin in Europe.

I don't understand how we could deny the Dark Ages.
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Technology increased quite a bit during the Dark Age.
Even if Science was steadily in neutral.
 
Cypress said:
No reputable modern Medieval scholar calls it that anymore.

The period is generally categorized and divided into the Early Middle Ages, the High Middle Ages, and the Late Middle Ages.

The Early Middle Ages were "dark" only in the sense we have very little surviving written documents from that period, and therefore we know relatively little about it. We know a lot more about the High Middle Ages and the Late Middle Ages.
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Well it is due to the Roman Catholic Church being only allowed to read the Bible and the rest can go fuck themselves.
 
Cypress said:
No reputable modern Medieval scholar calls it that anymore.

The period is generally categorized and divided into the Early Middle Ages, the High Middle Ages, and the Late Middle Ages.

The Early Middle Ages were "dark" only in the sense we have very little surviving written documents from that period, and therefore we know relatively little about it. We know a lot more about the High Middle Ages and the Late Middle Ages.
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I cite Galileo as an example.
 
Cypress said:
No reputable modern Medieval scholar calls it that anymore.

The period is generally categorized and divided into the Early Middle Ages, the High Middle Ages, and the Late Middle Ages.

The Early Middle Ages were "dark" only in the sense we have very little surviving written documents from that period, and therefore we know relatively little about it. We know a lot more about the High Middle Ages and the Late Middle Ages.
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I learned about the Dark Ages in High school some 20 years ago.

There were also many musical composers of that era.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medieval_composers
 
AProudLefty said:
Well it is due to the Roman Catholic Church being only allowed to read the Bible and the rest can go fuck themselves.
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Lol, prior to Gutenbergs printing press there was no means to produce mass printings.

Johann Gutenberg was a Catholic.

His printing press increased access to literacy.
 
AProudLefty said:
I cite Galileo as an example.
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Copernicus who influenced Galileo was a Catholic clergyman.

Copernicus mostly known as a Astronomer of Heliocentric theory.

Yet, he was also a inventor of not just modern Astronomy
but also modern economics of the Quantity theory of money & Greshams law.

He also was a Polish military commander who squashed hordes of Teutonic Lutheran hordes at the Siege of Allenstein.
 
AProudLefty said:
Well it is due to the Roman Catholic Church being only allowed to read the Bible and the rest can go fuck themselves.
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There were no public schools or universities In the Early Middle Ages. With the western Roman Empire out of the picture in 475, people were just trying to survive the various and sundry barbarian invasions.

Literacy might have died out in the Early Middle Ages if it had not been for the Irish monks keeping written Latin alive.

Charlemagne started to revive writing, education, culture, engineering and archetecture in the in the 8th century, so educational, cultural, and social progress were being made long before the Renaissance.

In fact, I think a legitimate question might be: Was there really a Renaissance? Or was it just a continuation of the artistic, engineering, and agricultural advances made in the High Middle Ages and Late Middle Ages?
 
Cypress said:
There were no public schools or universities In the Early Middle Ages. With the western Roman Empire out of the picture in 475, people were just trying to survive the various and sundry barbarian invasions.

Literacy might have died out in the Early Middle Ages if it had not been for the Irish monks keeping written Latin alive.

Charlemagne started to revive writing, education, culture, engineering and archetecture in the in the 8th century, so educational, cultural, and social progress were being made long before the Renaissance.

In fact, I think a legitimate question might be: Was there really a Renaissance? Or was it just a continuation of the artistic, engineering, and agricultural advances made in the High Middle Ages and Late Middle Ages?
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Well all good points but we cannot deny that the Renaissance is what started the rapid advance of education, learning, culture, engineering, agriculture, architecture, art, mathematics and science. All within 220 years. We have the tablets and satellites now. :)
 
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